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Obama: Flags To Be Flown At Half-Staff In Honor Of Nelson Mandela [W:382]

sawyerloggingon said:
What in your opinion are the big differences between Castro and Mandela. Honest question, I am not baiting you.
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Castro was an antagonist of the U.S. during the Cold War, who actively enacted Communist policies in Cuba. Mandela was neither, and Mandela played a significant role in ending Apartheid. There.
 
Carjosse said:
He ordered the bombing of infrastructure like power pylons not of human targets. George Washington did exactly nothing to stop them at all.
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For your reading pleasure, maybe you will learn something.

"Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
 
Kobie said:
Castro was an antagonist of the U.S. during the Cold War, who actively enacted Communist policies in Cuba. Mandela was neither, and Mandela played a significant role in ending Apartheid. There.
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His so called roll in ending apartheid was to kill innocent women and children. There.:roll: How do you defend that?
 
Kobie said:
My guess would be "nothing."
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In 2008 after the uninformed and misinformed elected Obama as President, Fidel Castro wrote, "The intelligent and noble face of the first black president of the United States since its founding two and one-third centuries ago as an independent republic had transformed itself under the inspiration of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King into a living symbol of the American dream."

In 2013 Castro wrote, Obama Is "Stupid"
 
APACHERAT said:
In 2008 after the uninformed and misinformed elected Obama as President, Fidel Castro wrote, "The intelligent and noble face of the first black president of the United States since its founding two and one-third centuries ago as an independent republic had transformed itself under the inspiration of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King into a living symbol of the American dream."

In 2013 Castro wrote, Obama Is "Stupid"
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In 2013, Kobie wrote, "Who gives a **** what Fidel Castro thinks?"
 
Carjosse said:
He freed millions of people from Apartheid rule and gave them freedom, past connections is his youth mean nothing. When he was president of South Africa he was definitely not communist. Do you not like Blacks having rights and democracy? Margaret Thatcher never really accomplished anything of note especially on the world stage besides being friends with Reagan.
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Umm.. he didn't free millions. It takes two to tango. de Klerk opposed Apartheid as well. It was de Klerk's Government approached Mandela about legalizing the ANC and releasing Mandela and how to do it. Then de Klerk turned around campaigned for lifting Apartheid in the South African vote. de Klerk didn't bitch and moan when he lost to Mandela in 1994 and faithfully served as deputy president under Mandela.

Mandela didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize by himself.. he won it with de Klerk.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
His so called roll in ending apartheid was to kill innocent women and children. There.:roll: How do you defend that?
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He killed innocent women and children from prison? Interesting.
 
Kobie said:
Castro was an antagonist of the U.S. during the Cold War, who actively enacted Communist policies in Cuba. Mandela was neither, and Mandela played a significant role in ending Apartheid. There.
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Can you document on how Mandela played a significant role in ending apartheid in SA while sitting in prison for over two decades ?
 
austrianecon said:
Umm.. he didn't free millions. It takes two to tango. de Klerk opposed Apartheid as well. It was de Klerk's Government approached Mandela about legalizing the ANC and releasing Mandela and how to do it. Then de Klerk turned around campaigned for lifting Apartheid in the South African vote. de Klerk didn't bitch and moan when he lost to Mandela in 1994 and faithfully served as deputy president under Mandela.

Mandela didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize by himself.. he won it with de Klerk.
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I agree that de Klerk deserves a lot of the credit for the end of the Apartheid era and the smooth, relatively non-violent transition that ensued.
 
Carjosse said:
Well Mandala was a terrorist to the Apartheid regime does that make him a terrorist, no. If you want to follow that reasoning all the founding fathers of America were traitors and terrorists. It was Mandela's movement and leadership which caused Apartheid to end, De Klerk negotiated and signed it into law. Thatcher accomplished nothing that can rival freeing and entire race of people that inspired the world.
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I think the founding fathers were terrorist and traitors just like uncle sam thinks they are now. But I have no problem with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
 
APACHERAT said:
Can you document on how Mandela played a significant role in ending apartheid in SA while sitting in prison for over two decades ?
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His role was largely symbolic.

"In a way I had never quite comprehended before, I realized the role I could play in court and the possibilities before me as a defendant. I was the symbol of justice in the court of the oppressor, the representative of the great ideals of freedom, fairness and democracy in a society that dishonoured those virtues. I realized then and there that I could carry on the fight even in the fortress of the enemy."
— Nelson Mandela, 1994
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sawyerloggingon said:
You can't be this ignorant, it must be an act.
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I am aware of the MK's campaign of bombing infrastructure, most if not all of which happened while Mandela was in the joint, and none of which targeted "women and children." My point stands.
 
APACHERAT said:
You being "slightly liberal" should "slightly" give a "****" what Fidel Castro thinks.
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Why? Liberalism =/= Communism, despite your frantic attempts to insinuate otherwise.
 
Kobie said:
I am aware of the MK's campaign of bombing infrastructure, most if not all of which happened while Mandela was in the joint, and none of which targeted "women and children." My point stands.
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Did you miss this post or just choose to ignore it?

Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
 
polgara said:
It's just pandering on his part, and we're used to that!. If memory serves me correctly, when Michelle made her African trip, it was Mandela she ended up visiting, since the leader of South Africa refused to meet with her because he didn't agree with Barack's international policies. I'm glad she had the opportunity to meet Mandela in person. :thumbs:

Greetings, APACHERAT! :2wave:
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And the current leader is Jacob Zuma. He's still sings Shoot the Boer. Which is a song about killing Afrikaans. It's a good thing Michelle didn't meet him. It would have been down right embarrassing.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Did you miss this post or just choose to ignore it?

Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
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There is pretty solid speculation those are extremely ginned-up charges.
 
Kobie said:
Castro was an antagonist of the U.S. during the Cold War, who actively enacted Communist policies in Cuba. Mandela was neither, and Mandela played a significant role in ending Apartheid. There.
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You are wrong there.. South African apartheid referendum was a white vote only. Means whites ended Apartheid. ;)
 
Look, regardless of whether you are a Mandela shipper or not, he wasn't an American, did nothing for America and the flag should not be flown at half mast for him.
 
Kobie said:
There is pretty solid speculation those are extremely ginned-up charges.
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Well take it from Mandela himself then.


In his book "Long Walk to Freedom", Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had “personally signed off” in approving these acts of terrorism, the pictures and details of which follow below. This is the horror which Mandela had “signed off” for while he was in prison – convicted for other acts of terrorism after the Rivonia trial. The late SA president PW Botha told Mandela in 1985 that he could be a free man as long as he did just one thing : ‘publicly renounce violence’. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser Pres FW de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line ? Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced the use of violence to further the ‘cause of freedom’. On 11 July 1963 the police raided the home of Arthur Goldreich in Rivonia near Johannesburg, where it captured, by surprise, the leadership cadre of the Umkonto we Sizwe underground. Seventeen people were arrested. Five of those arrested were Jews. They were : Arthur Goldreich, Lionel Bernstein, Hilliard Festenstein, Dennis Goldberg and Bob Hepple.

Remembering The Church Street Bombing-Pretoria
 
sawyerloggingon said:
For your reading pleasure, maybe you will learn something.

"Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013) was a communist terrorist leader and former President of South Africa. He was imprisoned for some time for attempting to plant a bomb in a shopping center with the intent of killing men, women and children. He signed off on the Church Street bombing in 1983 which killed 19 people and maimed another 217."

Nelson Mandela - Metapedia
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Wonderful source you've found there!

Just looking around a little I found this:

The modus operandi of Jews among non-Jewish nations is always the same:
Loop begin
Infiltration, typically strictly deny any Jewish existence and their own Jewishness
Coming unpleasantly in sight due to usury, child murder, bad-mouthing about country and folk, culture distortion, creating artificial conflicts like "class-conflict" or "feminism", moving aliens into the country by "tolerance", etc...
Create revolutions, terror systems, "Bolshevism", mass murderer, mass rubbing-out, "inflation", etc...
Get rolled back, confined or expelled
Cry loudly because of "persecution", whine, blackmail using international "justice"
End of loop
Each Jewish holiday (and there are many) remembers a possibly different event somewhere in the above loop.​

Great pictures too!

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Jews - Metapedia
 
WCH said:
Yahoo! News

President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered flags to fly at half-staff at the White House and public buildings, with the US in mourning over the death of "close friend" and anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela.

Obama's proclamation, which also extended to the White House, US foreign missions, military posts, naval stations and military vessels, was valid through sunset on Monday.

"Today, the United States has lost a close friend, South Africa has lost an incomparable liberator, and the world has lost an inspiration for freedom, justice, and human dignity -- Nelson Mandela is no longer with us, he belongs to the ages," he said in the document.

"Through his fierce dignity and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed South Africa -- and moved the entire world.


For a Communist? Antithesis to Freedom and Liberty?

And nothing for Maggie Thatcher...nothing

I truly want to vomit.
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I am all for flying the flag at half mast for Mandela. He deserves it. Regardless of politics he was a great man and leader. A man of the ages. I respected the man and as far as I am concerned he deserves the honor. As I posted before on another thread, this old crusty retired Master Sergeant is giving him a slow hand salute. RIP.
 
sedan said:
Wonderful source you've found there!
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Metapedia - RationalWiki

Metapedia is a website which describes itself as "an electronic encyclopedia about culture, art, science, philosophy and politics." The site's stated focus is "on topics that usually are not covered in — i.e. that fall outside of — mainstream encyclopedias." It has been described as "an 'internet love site', dedicated to the love of European people and culture."[3]

In reality, however, Metapedia is a thinly veiled neo-Nazi propaganda site that almost makes Conservapedia look well-adjusted.
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