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Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex marriage ban | Star Tribune
Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex marriage ban



SALT LAKE CITY — A federal judge says he'll do his best to rule by early next year on a legal challenge to a same-sex marriage ban in Utah, after an attorney called for an end to the prohibition by arguing that the precedent has been set by the U.S. Supreme Court and discrimination has gone on long enough.

Lawyer Peggy Tomsic contended marriage is a fundamental right. "This is the time and this is the place for this court to make it clear that the 14th Amendment is alive and well, even in Utah," Tomsic said.
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Challenge to Utah’s same-sex marriage ban - The Washington Post
Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex marriage ban | Star Tribune
Judge weighs merits of Utah
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20131205/NEWS03/131209655/1066
Utah Gay Marriage Ban Faces Court Challenge

Seems the fight in Utah might also swing for the fences (along with texas) and go directly with the defense of the constitution and the 14th! Awesome, ill believe it when i see it but it could be very important.
Utah was on the list before but now they have a date and thats January making it possible 3 more states to have equal rights for gays as soon as Feb!!!


Updates in red: 12/06/2013 V1.1

16 states and DC have equal rights:

Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
Connecticut - November 12, 2008
Iowa - April 27, 2009
Vermont - September 1, 2009
New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
New York - July 24, 2011
Washington - December 6, 2012
Maine - December 29, 2012
Maryland - January 1, 2013
Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
FALL OD DOMA - June 26, 2013
California - June 28, 2013
Delaware - July 1, 2013
Minnesota - August 1, 2013
New Jersey - October 21, 2013
Hawaii - December 2, 2013 effective
Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective


17 more are in various stages of fighting or establishing a fight for equal rights

New Mexico – is granting equal rights for now and the SSC is going to decided on this soon

Court Case(s) in the works to establish equal rights:
Arkansas
Kentucky
Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
South Carolina
Texas (Jan 2014 Trial)
Utah (Jan 2014 Trial)


Court Case(s) and Legislation in the works, which ever wins first:
Arizona
Nevada
Ohio (December 2013 trial)


Legislation in the works:
Colorado
Florida
Oregon

thats33 states that could have equal rights by 2015 and some much sooner!
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

All states have equal rights. Homosexual marriage does not equate to equal rights.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

All states have equal rights. Homosexual marriage does not equate to equal rights.

facts, rights, laws, ordinances, court cases and many cases or court precedence all disagree with you

when you have one fact to support your statement please post it . . . .

the 3 SSCs that granted/protected equal rights for gays all mention equal rights or equality

the fact is this is an equal/civil and human rights issue and its awesome that its winning the war.
 
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Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

All states have equal rights. Homosexual marriage does not equate to equal rights.

They said that about interracial marriage too. For some reason that logic didn't stick. Do you expect it to this time?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

I'm waiting for the "The Bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" comments..
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

I'm waiting for the "The Bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" comments..

Well, you didn't have to wait long.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

They said that about interracial marriage too. For some reason that logic didn't stick. Do you expect it to this time?

Nonsense, not the same, not even close. Agent J liked to repeat his opinion endlessly hoping that with repitition it will become correct. I like to remind him of the truth every once in awhile and that not everyone is buying the crap. Don't worry, he'll repeat it all again endlessly and you can got back to feeling comforted.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

*sigh* this fight is over. You'll get rearguard comments on this for years after its legal in every state. Eventually as the years wear on no one will talk about it. This part of the 'culture war' is over and the last shots are being fired as we type. May take years yet before you get all 50 but its obviously going to happen. I just wish some people could give up the ghost and move on so we can talk about other things.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

They said that about interracial marriage too. For some reason that logic didn't stick. Do you expect it to this time?

yep along with minority rights and womans rights, those types of desperate arguments were illogical and unsupportable then just like they are today they are based on fallacies and of bigotry.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

All states have equal rights. Homosexual marriage does not equate to equal rights.

individuals have rights not states
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Nonsense, not the same, not even close. Agent J liked to repeat his opinion endlessly hoping that with repitition it will become correct. I like to remind him of the truth every once in awhile and that not everyone is buying the crap. Don't worry, he'll repeat it all again endlessly and you can got back to feeling comforted.

They did say that. They said everyone had equal right to marry someone of the same race.
Now they say everyone has equal right to marry someone of the opposite gender.

Perhaps you can elaborate further on your statement to clarify it for me. Why do you think same-sex marriage doesn't "equate to equal rights?" What do you mean by that?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

1.)Nonsense, not the same, not even close.
2.) Agent J liked to repeat his opinion endlessly hoping that with repitition it will become correct.
3.) I like to remind him of the truth every once in awhile
4.) and that not everyone is buying the crap.
5.) Don't worry, he'll repeat it all again endlessly and you can got back to feeling comforted.

1.) actually it is the same its a equal rights issue just like its a civil and human rights issue and this fact will not change
2.) its not MY opinion its a fact backed up by law, rights, ordinances, court cases and case precedence. Remind us? what do you have that supports your false claim? thats right, nothing lol
3.) you havent presented any truth and you have been asked by many many posters and it never happens, if you disagree feel free to present any facts that you think support you now.
4.) yes there are some people that still deny these facts based on ignorance/ fallacies and or bigotry. You can spot them by how emotional they get when they realize equal rights is winning.
5.) seems you are desperately trying to make the thread about me instead of staying on topic and simply backing yup the false claims and lies you post.

anyway, we will wait, like i said when you are ready to STAY ON TOPIC please simply provide the facts that support your false claim.

facts, laws, rights, court cases and court precedence all disagree with you.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

individuals have rights not states

You know very well I was referring to equal rights for their citizens. If not, that's on you.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

*sigh* this fight is over. You'll get rearguard comments on this for years after its legal in every state. Eventually as the years wear on no one will talk about it. This part of the 'culture war' is over and the last shots are being fired as we type. May take years yet before you get all 50 but its obviously going to happen. I just wish some people could give up the ghost and move on so we can talk about other things.

well the fight isnt over, there are going to be many fights along the way to equality


but i do agree we can all see what the end result is going to be

equal rights is winning and its going to win but until it does ill be right here celebrating the smaller victories and potential victories because i never thought i would see it in my life time.

But yes it would be nice if the supporters of discrimination, bigots and or those agaisnt equal rights would just stop the nonsense already.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

They did say that. They said everyone had equal right to marry someone of the same race.
Now they say everyone has equal right to marry someone of the opposite gender.

Perhaps you can elaborate further on your statement to clarify it for me. Why do you think same-sex marriage doesn't "equate to equal rights?" What do you mean by that?

Again, nonsense. And no I have no need to rehash the arguments that have been made here many, many times before. Just do a search on Agent J and you'll find a multitude of threads with the info you're asking after.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

well the fight isnt over, there are going to be many fights along the way to equality


but i do agree we can all see what the end result is going to be

equal rights is winning and its going to win but until it does ill be right here celebrating the smaller victories and potential victories because i never thought i would see it in my life time.

But yes it would be nice if the supporters of discrimination, bigots and or those agaisnt equal rights would just stop the nonsense already.

For same sex marriage? I think the fight is very much over. The momentum isn't just on the side of SSM, it's overwhelming. Legally, politically, and culturally. Whether it happens in two years or in five isn't really an enormous distinction in my view. What matters is that it is irreversible. In that sense the fight is over. SSM opponents have clearly lost, and their efforts today are nothing more than delaying actions.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

You know very well I was referring to equal rights for their citizens. If not, that's on you.

You are using the states right bs to deny individuals their rights and support the tyranny of the majority.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Again, nonsense. And no I have no need to rehash the arguments that have been made here many, many times before. Just do a search on Agent J and you'll find a multitude of threads with the info you're asking after.

there have been no factual arguments posted against equality, if there were and if any exists they would simply be posted.

Facts, rights, laws, court cases and court precedence make this an equality issue if you disagree simply present any FACTS that prove otherwise and again I am not the topic.

Seems obvious theres nothing you can post to support your claim.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

You are using the states right bs to deny individuals their rights and support the tyranny of the majority.

Nope and tyranny of the majority only applies to direct vote of the people situations.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Again, nonsense. And no I have no need to rehash the arguments that have been made here many, many times before. Just do a search on Agent J and you'll find a multitude of threads with the info you're asking after.

So you don't want to discuss your opinion. Ok. See you.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

1.) For same sex marriage? I think the fight is very much over. The momentum isn't just on the side of SSM, it's overwhelming. Legally, politically, and culturally.
2.) Whether it happens in two years or in five isn't really an enormous distinction in my view.
3.) What matters is that it is irreversible. In that sense the fight is over.
4.) SSM opponents have clearly lost, and their efforts today are nothing more than delaying actions.

1.) I understand what you are saying but since equal rights are still being denied the fight wont be over until that stops
2.) you are welcome to that but it actually is huge, especially anything past 5 years. When we are talking about protecting equal rights its always a big thing.
3.) i do agree with this, with the fall of DOMA and some other major stones put in the road equal rights is a lock.
4.) I also agree on this 100% too
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

You are using the states right bs to deny individuals their rights and support the tyranny of the majority.

yep, weird that reminds me of something else, oh yeah interracial marriage
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

For same sex marriage? I think the fight is very much over. The momentum isn't just on the side of SSM, it's overwhelming. Legally, politically, and culturally. Whether it happens in two years or in five isn't really an enormous distinction in my view. What matters is that it is irreversible. In that sense the fight is over. SSM opponents have clearly lost, and their efforts today are nothing more than delaying actions.

Nonsense. It's not the cuture driving this but a rogue SCOTUS and federal judiciary. The people through their representatives and on their own still defeat homosexual marriage.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

So you don't want to discuss your opinion. Ok. See you.

Been there, done that many times. Not my problem you refuse to read the threads posted here with regularity (largely thanks to Agent J's obsession with homosexual marriage).
 
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