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Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex[W:141]

Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Nonsense. It's not the cuture driving this but a rogue SCOTUS and federal judiciary. The people through their representatives and on their own still defeat homosexual marriage.

Of course its cultural. Polls in support of same sex marriage have been consistently hitting the 55%+ mark in the past year, when you talk about young people (my generation) the number is 60-70%. The tide has clearly shifted and as more of us get older and older generations pass away it will only cement itself. The cultural battle has been won by SSM advocates.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Nonsense. It's not the cuture driving this but a rogue SCOTUS and federal judiciary. The people through their representatives and on their own still defeat homosexual marriage.

In 2012 the pro-SSM crowd won all four ballot measures. Numerous legislatures have passed SSM in the last couple years.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

In 2012 the pro-SSM crowd won all four ballot measures. Numerous legislatures have passed SSM in the last couple years.

Huh? There is no federal issue based ballot. Are you perhaps talking about an individual state?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Nonsense. It's not the cuture driving this but a rogue SCOTUS and federal judiciary. The people through their representatives and on their own still defeat homosexual marriage.

still waiting on any facts that support your proven wrong statments

fact is culture is supporting this! majority are for equal rights BUT they arent needed on equal rights matters they are just a nice bonus

people arent defeating equal rights its winning it, more than doubled in a years time

the writing is on the wall, so equality will win the war and america will again right one of its wrongs! It will be awesome to live in a time when this happens.
 
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Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Huh? There is no federal issue based ballot. Are you perhaps talking about an individual state?

Four individual states. And numerous legislatures.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Of course its cultural. Polls in support of same sex marriage have been consistently hitting the 55%+ mark in the past year, when you talk about young people (my generation) the number is 60-70%. The tide has clearly shifted and as more of us get older and older generations pass away it will only cement itself. The cultural battle has been won by SSM advocates.

Polling does not equal reality where only actual voters count. The young do not vote with regularity, and when they grow up enough to do so, they generally have a different opinion.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

still waiting on any facts that support your proven wrong statments

fact is culture is supporting this! majority are for equal rights BUT they arent needed on equal rights matters they are just a nice bonus

people arent defeating equal rights its winning it more than doubled in a years time

the writing is on the wall, soo equality will win the war and america will again right one of its wrongs! It will be awesome to live in a time when this happens.

It would be awesome to live in a time in which your posts were comprehensible...
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Four individual states. And numerous legislatures.

AFTER the federal courts overturned their original will. But nice try.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Been there, done that many times. Not my problem you refuse to read the threads posted here with regularity (largely thanks to Agent J's obsession with homosexual marriage).

Still no facts yet?
well again when you are done deflecting and trying to make this about me simply post any facts that support your already proven wrong statements.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Polling does not equal reality where only actual voters count. The young do not vote with regularity, and when they grow up enough to do so, they generally have a different opinion.

Which has nothing to do with my point (even if it were true). The contention was whether the cultural battle had been won, and given broad popular polling data it clearly has. You are going to have to reconcile yourself to the fact that SSM is going to be legal.
 
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AFTER the federal courts overturned their original will. But nice try.

100% FALSE
some states did indeed vote on this issue and voted for equal rights like washington
you are severely uneducated about this topic and your post prove this fact, maybe further research on the facts presented will help

nice try but people are actually educated on this topic.

but that is meaningless since its an equal rights issue and in the end that will win
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

AFTER the federal courts overturned their original will. But nice try.

You're wrong. Several states have passed SSM legislatively, with no federal intervention. Minnesota defeated a "man and woman only" marriage amendment via ballot measure, and then legislatively passed SSM. They were not ordered to by any federal court.

You think the courts are why people started to vote in favor or SSM?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

It would be awesome to live in a time in which your posts were comprehensible...
lol
Translation: you have nothing on topic, thanks, let us know when you do
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Which has nothing to do with my point (even if it were true). The contention was whether the cultural battle had been won, and given broad popular polling data it clearly has. You are going to have to reconcile yourself to the fact that SSM is going to be legal.

Your original point is wrong. The young will almost always be off beat with the prevailing culture, that's been true in virtually every society. But they grow up and change their minds when they face the reality of the world on their own. There is no "broad polling data". It's all cherry picked small sampling drek. What counts is how the people vote when they are in the privacy of the voting booth. And barring a federal court decision that says they cannot have their will, they vote against allowing homosexual marriage.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Your original point is wrong. The young will almost always be off beat with the prevailing culture, that's been true in virtually every society. But they grow up and change their minds when they face the reality of the world on their own. There is no "broad polling data". It's all cherry picked small sampling drek. What counts is how the people vote when they are in the privacy of the voting booth. And barring a federal court decision that says they cannot have their will, they vote against allowing homosexual marriage.

Except the last four times.
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

You're wrong. Several states have passed SSM legislatively, with no federal intervention. Minnesota defeated a "man and woman only" marriage amendment via ballot measure, and then legislatively passed SSM. They were not ordered to by any federal court.

You think the courts are why people started to vote in favor or SSM?

Good for Wisconsin, when we are the United Staes of Wisconsin be sure to come on back and let us all know. :lamo

EDIT: Sorry, I meant Minnesota, my bad.
 
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Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Your original point is wrong. The young will almost always be off beat with the prevailing culture, that's been true in virtually every society. But they grow up and change their minds when they face the reality of the world on their own. There is no "broad polling data". It's all cherry picked small sampling drek. What counts is how the people vote when they are in the privacy of the voting booth. And barring a federal court decision that says they cannot have their will, they vote against allowing homosexual marriage.

There is broad polling data (Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) you don't have to look at it if you don't want to. The trend of opinion on SSM, especially among young people has been consistent for years, it has now seeped into broad segments of the population. Your contention seems to be "everyone will change their mind, you'll see!" which is a 'hopeful' view at best. Again I think you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that SSM is going to be legal and move on to other issues.
 
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Except the last four times.

Really, that's your argument? Counting the number of homosexual marriage legislative successes? Historically it's failed far, far more than succeded. See how bogus that argument can be?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Your original point is wrong. The young will almost always be off beat with the prevailing culture, that's been true in virtually every society. But they grow up and change their minds when they face the reality of the world on their own. There is no "broad polling data". It's all cherry picked small sampling drek. What counts is how the people vote when they are in the privacy of the voting booth. And barring a federal court decision that says they cannot have their will, they vote against allowing homosexual marriage.

actually its 100% meaningless since again the fact remains this is an equal rights issue

80+% were against interracial marriage when it was passed and it didnt matter matter because again, it was an equal rights issue

and you are still 100% factually wrong, people have voted for gay rights and no federal move was needed, are you familiar at all with ANY facts regarding equal rights for gays?
 
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lol
Translation: you have nothing on topic, thanks, let us know when you do

did you even bother to reread it? I didn't think so... BTW do you agree with those States that have protected marriage as being between one man and one woman?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Good for Wisconsin, when we are the United Staes of Wisconsin be sure to come on back and let us all know.

where in his post did he mention Wisconsin? more proof you arent reading just posting based on blind biased and zero facts. :lamo
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

There is broad polling data (Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) you don't have to look at it if you don't want to. The trend of opinion on SSM, especially among young people has been consistent for years, it has now seeped into broad segments of the population. Your contention seems to be "everyone will change their mind, you'll see!" which is a 'hopeful' view at best. Again I think you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that SSM is going to be legal and move on to other issues.

I've looked, but again, they don't matter and are not anything but the response from a small sampling of people, many of whom have no say in the matter (they can't or don't vote) or are answering the poll the way they do because they believe that to be the expected answer. Once those folks who can vote get into a voting booth, the poll doesn't count for crap.

And, if you're read my posts in the past you'd know I don't really care all that much who marries whom. Sure I don't believe we ought to endorse homosexual marriage, but it's not a big deal for me either way. You may have me confused with Agent J who is absolutely obsessed with the subject. He's so invested somehow that he starts thread after thread on it, rehashing the same old content - his opinons, which we all know by now are "fact". :mrgreen:
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

1.)did you even bother to reread it?
2.)I didn't think so...
3.) BTW do you agree with those States that have protected marriage as being between one man and one woman?

1.) yes i did it was comprehensible :shrug:
2.) as usual your thought wrong
3.) i have no idea how to answer this question because its full of fallacies.Ill give it a shot though.

A.) in general no i dont agree with people trying to deny equal rights which is what is factually going on.
B.) states don't get to infringe on individual rights, and this is why some of the states they have done this and have been pushed to their own SSCs have lost
C.) marriage isnt in danger, equal rights doesnt endanger it.

anything else?
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

Really, that's your argument? Counting the number of homosexual marriage legislative successes? Historically it's failed far, far more than succeded. See how bogus that argument can be?

No, that's counting the number of ballot measure successes.

There are more if you count legislation.

So, why don't you tell me how many states have to legalize it via ballot measure or via legislation to meet your threshold of "will of the people?"
 
Re: Judge says he'll try to rule by early January on challenge to Utah's same-sex mar

did you even bother to reread it? I didn't think so... BTW do you agree with those States that have protected marriage as being between one man and one woman?

I think gender-based discrimination requires an important state interest be served by that discrimination, as per many years of Supreme Court rulings on Equal Protection. I think your side has failed to provide that state interest.
 
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