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South Africa's Nelson Mandela dies in Johannesburg[W102]

Do you have a picture of Rumsfeld and Saddam to go along with that one Apache ?
APACHERAT;1062631391 [url=http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=633843 said:
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I find it extremely telling, ho wmany right wingers on this board, hate him more than most racist Afrikaners do...

most of the things right wingers have said about him over the years I've been here have been absolute crap including what's in this thread.

And the fact they go after him over the creation of the militant wing of the ANC which was in direct response to the sharpville massacre (when some of them seem to want to start shooting at the government over bullet clip restrictions), and which in its beginnings we're simply acts of sabotage, yes some members murdered but after he went to prison and without his approval. Which is why along with members of the White Security forces, members of Umkhonto We Sizwe also went before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

I am South African, I was born in 1989, I grew up and went to public South African schools and my family owned many businesses during our time there and I am white.

I can tell you that South Africa is far from perfect, Mandela is far from perfect.

In his earliest days indeed he was a socialist, but when you look at the actions of his government when he actually came to power, they resemble NOTHING of what the original ANC charter was in the 60's namely nationalizing mines and banks etc. which never happened, never came close to happening and HE COULD HAVE DONE IT.

But his most important contributions to our country, namely the relative peace he brought was nothing short of a miracle, and while South Africa isn't perfect and still has far to go I know I grew up in a South Africa that was better with him than without him.

I am thankful that he lived and I am saddened that he died.

He achieved the impossible and freed a nation.

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Cry, the beloved country.

To the Left, OUR founders were a bunch of white, slave-owning, bigoted, rich men, but Mandela was a gentle and peaceful man. And you wonder why there is push-back.
 
Do you have a picture of Rumsfeld and Saddam to go along with that one Apache ?

To the best of my knowledge, Rumsfeld never considered or called Saddam Hussein a brother or named one of his nephews Saddam as Nelson Mandela named one of his nephews Qaddafi.
 
Glad to see the lessons of reconciliation that Mandela taught have been taken in by the DP community.
 
That is completely and utterly untrue!

I don't know why you have such a hatred for the man.

You never lived there I ****ING DID.

Crime is a problem in South Africa and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS SAYING IT ISN'T.

Most of it is black on black crime in the Townships that are a direct result of apartheid.

Lack of education, infrastructure in black areas as a direct result of apartheid.

Crime has been slowly but surely decreasing since 1994 but one thing is for sure, it is not Mandelas fault.

Why are you more outrage about crime that occurred after apartheid ended... then innocent blacks being gunned down by a murderous regime?

I thought you were one of those "freedom" people?

Although crime was bad, South Africa was free for all intents and purposes, crime committed by individuals as opposed to direct government murder of innocents?

I suppose when it's blacks being gunned down it's not as big a deal to you is it?

It's not untrue...

Genocide Watch
 
Words don't speak as loud as the weapons that Rumsfeld gave Saddam that have come back to bite America in the ass do they ?
To the best of my knowledge, Rumsfeld never considered or called Saddam Hussein a brother or named one of his nephews Saddam as Nelson Mandela named one of his nephews Qaddafi.
 
To the Left, OUR founders were a bunch of white, slave-owning, bigoted, rich men, but Mandela was a gentle and peaceful man. And you wonder why there is push-back.

Damn right!
 
Check to see how the rightists have been going ape**** on every Mandela thread and get back to me,
especially on the thread tagged RIP and the rightists still wouldn't stop .
Glad to see the lessons of reconciliation that Mandela taught have been taken in by the DP community.
 
Words don't speak as loud as the weapons that Rumsfeld gave Saddam that have come back to bite America in the ass do they ?

Which weqpins would those be?
 
Check to see how the rightists have been going ape**** on every Mandela thread and get back to me,
especially on the thread tagged RIP and the rightists still wouldn't stop .

What about the left sainting a man who was, at one point in time, a terrorist. To me, that is the most remarkable part of the story. That a man with as much anger in him to go into a prison like that, and come out the humble and forgiving man he was, is a testament to his spirit. But no, you listen to the left who talk about the ANC and they like to pretend all those bombings they did didn't exist. They are just belittling Mandela by distorting history.
 
Why should I know that you were referring to that.. you were randomly coming up with irrelevant crap to a quote of mine. And is it 60k since the end of Apartheid? Per year, during his term or since his one term? Context would be nice, but coming from you that wont happen.

I bet you play down the Holocaust, too.
 
What about the left sainting a man who was, at one point in time, a terrorist. To me, that is the most remarkable part of the story. That a man with as much anger in him to go into a prison like that, and come out the humble and forgiving man he was, is a testament to his spirit. But no, you listen to the left who talk about the ANC and they like to pretend all those bombings they did didn't exist. They are just belittling Mandela by distorting history.

If Stalin had jilled the Jews, the Libbos would deny that the holocaust ever happened.
 
So zero American citizens have been murdered in America during the same time frame as you quoted with South Africa..Heck, we've got gun appreciation day coming right up to celebrate the 26 murdered in Newtown..Not to mention GOPees dancing on the graves of Chicago black-on-black death

You people are resorting to some hardcore word games...lol!
 
we've learned well from you rightists..
You people are resorting to some hardcore word games...lol!
and, we are just little responders to the big bad bullies .
 
You were the one who said ZERO Americans were killed in America during the same time-frame since Mandela took over..
You people are resorting to some hardcore word games...lol!
 
You were the one who said ZERO Americans were killed in America during the same time-frame since Mandela took over..

No I didn't. Don't lie.
 
Why did the House refuse to go to Conference 18 times in the first seven months of this year, since you bring up budget??

Why did Obama's budget every single time get voted down by 100% of the Senate including democrats?
 
Nimby said:
Why did the House refuse to go to Conference 18 times in the first seven months of this year, since you bring up budget??

Why did Obama's budget every single time get voted down by 100% of the Senate including democrats?

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That is completely and utterly untrue!

I don't know why you have such a hatred for the man.

You never lived there I ****ING DID.

Crime is a problem in South Africa and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS SAYING IT ISN'T.

Most of it is black on black crime in the Townships that are a direct result of apartheid.

Lack of education, infrastructure in black areas as a direct result of apartheid.

Crime has been slowly but surely decreasing since 1994 but one thing is for sure, it is not Mandelas fault.

Why are you more outrage about crime that occurred after apartheid ended... then innocent blacks being gunned down by a murderous regime?

I thought you were one of those "freedom" people?

Although crime was bad, South Africa was free for all intents and purposes, crime committed by individuals as opposed to direct government murder of innocents?

I suppose when it's blacks being gunned down it's not as big a deal to you is it?
This is quite amazing, you of all people playing the race card. Look, the man wasn't perfect, but he did some good for many of his people. The ideology of his party is where some people have issues. People like you fawning over him while saying **** like above, denigrating people like Reagan and others, while you're at it. This is what's going here and in other threads.

Here's something for haters of the right, not everyone HATES Mandela.

Let me give you what is, I think, one of the most amazing things I ever heard Nelson Mandela say. We had fun with Mandela when he was in New York, when he came to New York and went to Yankees Stadium.

But I'll tell you, there are very few people that could have undergone what he went through and maintained any sense of dignity or optimism. Most people who had been through what Mandela went through would have spent the rest of their life enraged and bitter and angry and would have tried to get even. In fact, you might almost be able to make the point that there are people in this country who have not lived through horrible times who want to act like they have in order to occupy victim status, but Mandela really did it.
One of the most amazing things that he said -- I love profundities, and I particularly love short, pointed philosophy. Listen to this. "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Is that not great? And it's great because it's exactly right. Resentment doesn't do anybody any good. It is a poison unto itself, and you've seen people like this. You know people, you've seen 'em, who run around constantly filled with resentment or anger over the way they've been disrespected or mistreated, and they can't let go of it.

You don't want to be around them. You lose patience and you want to shout, "Let it go, it's over with, move on," and those who can't literally poison themselves to death. They figuratively poison themselves to death. So here's Nelson Mandela. "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Nelson Mandela actually lived through the indignities, the punishment, the discrimination, the horrors of the South African apartheid system and came out of it.

Do you realize, when he was inaugurated president, he invited as his special guests the white jailers from his Robben Island prison? He literally did forgive everybody. Twenty-seven years of the prime of his life, and he said, "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies." Nelson Mandela would not qualify as a civil rights leader in this country, with that philosophy. They can't let it go. It's become too big a business. They will not let it go.

Mandela let it go.

It's just amazing.

-- Rush Limbaugh

Maybe there's something you need to let go.
 
The hatefulness in this thread is... chilling. :(
 
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With the death of a rather renowned world figure, what is your take on the man, his life, and his legacy?


I've heard and read a lot of different things about the man, ranging from hero-worship to harsh condemnation and claims that he was a wolf in a sheepskin and didn't deserve his reputation.


Frack if I know what to believe. I doubt he was all the hero-worshippers make him out to be, though. Few men are.
 
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