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Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus[W:465]

Jack Hays said:
Link please.:peace
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This article says she was given meds to stop the contractions.

The case involves a mother of three from Muskego, Mich., named Tamesha Means. In December 2010, when she was 18 weeks pregnant, her water broke. A friend drove her to the nearest hospital, Mercy Health Partners, where she was told she was likely to lose the baby. But she was not told that the hospital would not do the therapeutic abortion she would get in a non-Catholic facility. She was given medication to stop contractions and sent home. She returned to the hospital later, bleeding, running a fever and in pain, and begged them to help her.
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ACLU Sues, Claiming Catholic Hospitals Put Women At Risk : Shots - Health News : NPR
 
RogueWarrior said:
Tamesha Means lawsuit: Catholic hospital 'forced miscarrying woman to deliver 18-week fetus' | Mail Online

[h=1]Catholic hospital 'risked woman's life by forcing her to deliver 18-week fetus that had no chance of survival' because of no abortion policy.[/h]
  • Tamesha Means, 30, of Muskegon, Michigan, filed a lawsuit Friday against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
  • It claims Means, then 27 and a mother-of-two, visited the hospital - the only one in her county - three times after her water broke five months early
  • She says she was told to go home before she miscarried on the third visit and was forced to deliver the 18 week fetus feet-first


Shades of the debacle in Ireland where the woman died.



I don't know why people are all flustered about the possible imposition of sharia law when there is a christian version just as bad and already in place.
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Just someone trying to make a buck off the Catholic Church. She knew the Catholic Church was against abortion. why go to a Catholic hospital?
 
Wanna bet? Several docs I know really well call St Vincents the Sisters of Perpetual Profit. Dont kid yourself.
CanadaJohn said:
If she didn't have insurance, I'd wager she'd get better care and treatment at a Catholic hospital than she would at a for profit institution.
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Navy Pride said:
Just someone trying to make a buck off the Catholic Church. She knew the Catholic Church was against abortion. why go to a Catholic hospital?
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Apparently she did not know she needed an abortion , she also said she did not know the hospital ( Muskegon General Hospital ) was a Catholic hospital.
 
Can a general Hospital be Catholic?
minnie616 said:
Apparently she did not know she needed an abortion , she also said she did not know the hospital ( Muskegon General Hospital ) was a Catholic hospital.
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Navy Pride said:
Just someone trying to make a buck off the Catholic Church. She knew the Catholic Church was against abortion. why go to a Catholic hospital?
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Maybe because she wanted to keep the baby? Her water broke and she thought the doctors could do something to save the baby?


She was given pills for the pain and told to go home. Essentially the hospital seemed to want her to miscarry at home, which medically at 18 weeks can be problematic. She says they never told her that her fetus' chances of survival were almost zero. Despite the depressingly bleak prognosis for the fetus, the hospital felt it necessary to not monitor the miscarriage of an 18 week fetus and endanger the life of a mother of 2 children.

I do not have a problem with doctors following their religious beliefs. I have a problem with 'doctors' (i use that term loosely) who won't monitor a dangerous pregnancy.

You never send a pregnant woman whose water broke, home. Most times that a pregnant woman loses her water, she is going to go into labour and deliver. Why the **** would medical professionals who supposedly know the dangers of childbirth send someone home to deliver an 18 month fetus? How many kinds of disgusting and/or degrees of incompetent do you have to be, to risk a woman's life like that? Sending her home to misscarry FFS.

PLEASE notice i have not even discussed abortion.
 
RogueWarrior said:
Maybe because she wanted to keep the baby? Her water broke and she thought the doctors could do something to save the baby?


She was given pills for the pain and told to go home. Essentially the hospital seemed to want her to miscarry at home, which medically at 18 weeks can be problematic. She says they never told her that her fetus' chances of survival were almost zero. Despite the depressingly bleak prognosis for the fetus, the hospital felt it necessary to not monitor the miscarriage of an 18 week fetus and endanger the life of a mother of 2 children.

I do not have a problem with doctors following their religious beliefs. I have a problem with 'doctors' (i use that term loosely) who won't monitor a dangerous pregnancy.

You never send a pregnant woman whose water broke, home. Most times that a pregnant woman loses her water, she is going to go into labour and deliver. Why the **** would medical professionals who supposedly know the dangers of childbirth send someone home to deliver an 18 month fetus? How many kinds of disgusting and/or degrees of incompetent do you have to be, to risk a woman's life like that? Sending her home to misscarry FFS.

PLEASE notice i have not even discussed abortion.
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20 weeks is generally the cutoff. There is significant risk of infection as well. There is some major info missing from this "story".
 
US Conservative said:
20 weeks is generally the cutoff. There is significant risk of infection as well. There is some major info missing from this "story".
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Some people seem to be of the impression that she went to the hospital to get an abortion. There is no indication that was her intent.
 
CanadaJohn said:
That's a bit of a stretch, but I haven't seen anything here yet that indicates where the woman's family doctor or doctor providing prenatal care is all of this or if she consulted with him/her and what advice that person gave.

Fact remains that Catholic hospitals have a constitutional right not to perform abortions and in my view, her own doctor should have been instructing her what to do should something go wrong and where to go. I also find it hard to believe that in a city of almost 40,000 there's only one hospital, a Catholic one, and no other medical facilities capable of serving this woman's needs.
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The fact remains that doctors have a legal obligation to inform their patients, and to not place their patients lives at risk without getting informed consent from the patient. And the doctors who treated her at the hospital are her doctors.

And I'm not surprised that you are having a hard time believing the facts
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry, but the woman is suing because she wasn't given an abortion and that put her life at risk - how the hell can you then say "the death of this woman's child could have been prevented if they did the right thing"?
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That's not why the woman is suing. Please stop telling such obvious lies.
 
sangha said:
And yet you agreed with a post that claimed the woman wanted an abortion

Lie much?
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Her motivation now and her purpose then need not be the same thing. Indeed, that may well be part of the hospital's defense.
 
Jack Hays said:
Her motivation now and her purpose then need not be the same thing.
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You got caught in a lie.

Telling another lie about her motivation and purpose (both of which were to receive proper treatment for her condition) won't change the obvious fact that you posted a lie after agreeing with another lie
 
sangha said:
You got caught in a lie.

Telling another lie about her motivation and purpose (both of which were to receive proper treatment for her condition) won't change the obvious fact that you posted a lie after agreeing with another lie
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An unfounded allegation. Goodbye again.
 
Jack Hays said:
An unfounded allegation. Goodbye again.
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She did not go to the hospital for an abortion, nor is she suing the hospital because they did not give her an abortion she didn't want

Now go run away from the lies you've posted. It's the smartest decision you've made in this thread.
 
sangha said:
She did not go to the hospital for an abortion, nor is she suing the hospital because they did not give her an abortion she didn't want

Now go run away from the lies you've posted. It's the smartest decision you've made in this thread.
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I agree she did not go to the hospital for an abortion and I have made no claim why she is suing now.:peace
 
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