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Might be a delay getting your Big Mac today.

sawyerloggingon said:
My knee jerk reaction is to say screw those idiots but there is another side to this. If an industry pays there employees such a low wage that they qualify for gov programs like food stamps aren't we the tax payers subsidizing the industry? Maybe we are enabling them to not innovate and keep up with the times and become efficient. Maybe if they had to pay people $15.00 an hour there would be incentive to get some burger flipping robots instead and cut their work force in half. Every other industry is doing this to be efficient, why should us tax payers shoulder the load for fast food joints. There is the issue of HS kids that often take these jobs though and this would put the hurt to them. Maybe 18 and under should be exempt from the higher wage structure.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think that's a fine idea that keeps these entry level positions open to them (entry level in terms of "entry into the work force")
 
MaggieD said:
This is more about unionization than getting a raise. They are being courted by unions, as is WalMart. Then they'll have to have a Put-the-Burger-on-the-Grill position, Burger Flipper position, Burger Wrapper position, Burger-Walk-it-to-the-window position, Floor Sweeper position, etc., etc. A defined benefit pension plan like public sector employees . . . and pretty soon a jamoke who can't make change, can't speak English and doesn't know a cockroach from a housepet will be making $24 an hour and retiring at age 55.

Can't wait.
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Personally, I'm hoping for that "puts the pickles on" position!
 
rocket88 said:
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think that's a fine idea that keeps these entry level positions open to them (entry level in terms of "entry into the work force")
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Do you also agree with the fact that if adults made $15.00 it would force innovation and technology that would cause a reduction in the fast food work force?
 
I make about $17 bucks sorting mail for an accounting firm. If they jacked their pay up to $15 then I wouldn't be that much above the fry guy's wage :shock:. No way I say.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Do you also agree with the fact that if adults made $15.00 it would force innovation and technology that would cause a reduction in the fast food work force?
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It might force a slight speedup, but those machines are either on the way or have been determined not to be worth it. They're already experimenting with automated order taking, so it may be coming whether the wage goes up or not.
 
rocket88 said:
It might force a slight speedup, but those machines are either on the way or have been determined not to be worth it. They're already experimenting with automated order taking, so it may be coming whether the wage goes up or not.
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I've already seen some, and that was awhile back. Self-checkout stands, automated order stands. I bet if we tried, we could build an AI governed system that could get rid of 90% of these idiots.

Hmm, maybe I should go look at penny stocks and see who may be coming up with some of it.
 
McDonald's corporate could eat the cost of raising wages to $15/hour and not raise the price of food a single penny.

Food for thought.
 
MaggieD said:
This is more about unionization than getting a raise. They are being courted by unions, as is WalMart. Then they'll have to have a Put-the-Burger-on-the-Grill position, Burger Flipper position, Burger Wrapper position, Burger-Walk-it-to-the-window position, Floor Sweeper position, etc., etc. A defined benefit pension plan like public sector employees . . . and pretty soon a jamoke who can't make change, can't speak English and doesn't know a cockroach from a housepet will be making $24 an hour and retiring at age 55.

Can't wait.
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You talk about this like it's a bad thing.
 
You don't even need an automated ordering system. Around here mcdonalds had a smart phone app that is gps aware and just submits your order. As often as they get my order wrong, I would rather punch the pictures of food myself.

Automating food prep should be easy enough too. Payment has been automated for over a decade now.
 
MaggieD said:
It is, unless you enjoy rampant inflation.
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The inflation wouldn't be as rampant as you think. Minimum wage hasn't been keeping up with inflation for a couple decades. Raising minimum wage doesn't have to cause inflation at all.
 
sangha said:
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They have been doing it at Wawa's on the east coast for years. Order, pay, then just pick it up. They can replace the sandwich makers before too long.
 
I'm not down with all of this automation. I prefer some human interaction. I can't stand self check-out at the grocery store. I prefer to deal with a person and it's nice to exchange pleasantries.
 
americanwoman said:
I packed three lunches today, maybe I need to start charging for my services instead of letting my family exploit me. Them peanut butter sandwiches don't make themselves. Should I go on strike?



Now give me some support here before a certain someone tells me it's just my womanly job to do it! :mrgreen:
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Deuce said:
McDonald's corporate could eat the cost of raising wages to $15/hour and not raise the price of food a single penny.

Food for thought.
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You know what would be REALLY cool? If all the liberals that insisted just how easily OTHERS could pay more, contribute more, hire more, etc would just do it themselves already. Funny how it always the people that DONT that just KNOW they can tell those that ARE how easily they could do something BETTER.
 
VanceMack said:
They have been doing it at Wawa's on the east coast for years. Order, pay, then just pick it up. They can replace the sandwich makers before too long.
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And then what? What happens when you replace the sandwich makers and the delivery drivers and the construction workers and the meat packers and the fruit pickers? You going to keep bitching about a growing unproductive class?
 
Deuce said:
The inflation wouldn't be as rampant as you think. Minimum wage hasn't been keeping up with inflation for a couple decades. Raising minimum wage doesn't have to cause inflation at all.
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If minimum wage were tied to inflation (a pretty simple thing to do, yet it hasn't been done, yes?), it would become a driver of inflation. Why would a government want to move from letting the market speak to engineering it?
 
VanceMack said:
They have been doing it at Wawa's on the east coast for years. Order, pay, then just pick it up. They can replace the sandwich makers before too long.
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You may have noticed that the restaurant still has workers performing all the other tasks other than taking the order and taking the money
 
Deuce said:
And then what? What happens when you replace the sandwich makers and the delivery drivers and the construction workers and the meat packers and the fruit pickers? You going to keep bitching about a growing unproductive class?
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If you are so stupid as to insist that you as a fry cook deserve 15 an hour and make yourself expendable, then a-you deserve to be unemployed and b-you should have to fend for yourself. But hey...no worries, deuce. There are so many of you very loving and caring and committed liberals out there that you are going to open your homes, invite them to your tables, and give freely of your income to sustain them forever. Right? ALl those rich democrats...they are going live a modest but siuccessful existence and just of their own free will give away their excess to feed shelter and clothe the downtrodden. Right?
 
VanceMack said:
You know what would be REALLY cool? If all the liberals that insisted just how easily OTHERS could pay more, contribute more, hire more, etc would just do it themselves already. Funny how it always the people that DONT that just KNOW they can tell those that ARE how easily they could do something BETTER.
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There are companies that pay employees better despite your insistence that those people don't deserve it.

But that point is made to illustrate the fact that "they'd have to double the price of a big mac!!" is incorrect. They'd have to slightly increase the price of food to maintain the same profit level. But why is that a given? Why do people think making less profit is a cardinal sin?
 
VanceMack said:
If you are so stupid as to insist that you as a fry cook deserve 15 an hour and make yourself expendable, then a-you deserve to be unemployed and b-you should have to fend for yourself. But hey...no worries, deuce. There are so many of you very loving and caring and committed liberals out there that you are going to open your homes, invite them to your tables, and give freely of your income to sustain them forever. Right? ALl those rich democrats...they are going live a modest but siuccessful existence and just of their own free will give away their excess to feed shelter and clothe the downtrodden. Right?
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You didn't answer the question.
 
sangha said:
You may have noticed that the restaurant still has workers performing all the other tasks other than taking the order and taking the money
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Sure...for now. But that means the machine has become more cost effective than an employee to take an order and give out change. They should be able to build a machine that will replace those inconvenient sandwich makers soon enough.
 
MaggieD said:
If minimum wage were tied to inflation (a pretty simple thing to do, yet it hasn't been done, yes?), it would become a driver of inflation. Why would a government want to move from letting the market speak to engineering it?
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Because when we leave the market to its' own devices, it ends up crashing the economy. The economy of the late 19th century and early 20th demonstrates that.
 
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