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Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps owing China over $1 trillion, depending on their trade and their approval of any Iran/North Korea deal plays into this. Things are never as simple as they may appear.
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Owing China money doesn't work to their advantage. The terms and interest are fixed. There's no bargaining chip because there's nothing to adjust.
 
NIMBY said:
Though you tapped on me, this time I'll do the work for ya, but when I say not you, since you won't do it yourself..

As we've seen all too well since October 1st in this latest exchange of rages,
the GOP saying "you lie" and you saying it to me doesn't make it true..
We're numb to the endless diatribe of lying charges over History as we all know it .
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You can't support the lie. Color me surprised.
 
specklebang said:
Too true.

OTOH, we OWE them money and they might want it back.

So, hopefully, this can be resolved without a nuclear war. It's not wise to fight with the big kids. ****, we can't even beat the Afghans who use muskets and have zero aircraft. Now, imagine fighting China.

Japan threw us under the bus in WW2. So, I like them but not enough to die for.
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WTF are you talking about, Japan threw us under the bus in WW ll.

The fuse for Second World War in the Pacific wat lit during the Teddy Roosevelt administration.

China's agenda today is the same as Japan's during the first half of the 20th Century. To throw America out of the Western Pacific Rim.

Just the other day on the Breaking News Forum there was a thread on the same topic, China's air defense zone over these Japanese islands.
As I pointed out on one of my post, a few months ago Barack Obama got into a stare down with Valdemar Putin over Syria and Obama blinked.

I then said Obama would get into a stare down with China. It seems Obama blinked again.

Obama by acknowledging China's air defense zone over these Japanese islands is as same as acknowledging China's sovereignty over these islands.

Wouldn't surprise me if China moves up it's time line of challenging the sovereignty over the Spartly and Parcel Islands in the South China Sea. China wasn't going to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea supposedly for another twenty years or so until they have at least four carriers and a large blue water navy.

Now may be the time, America is no longer the Super Power we were four years ago. We can't project our military power as we were able to do four years ago. The Obama administration is more concerned with social engineering of our military with feminization of our military than having a military that can fight.

Obama is a pantywaist.
 
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http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
apdst said:
You can't support the lie. Color me surprised.
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Scroll to Union Banking corporation and enjoy..
Wiki cleaned up what Jewish folks say about P. Bush..I won't with future posts .
 
NIMBY said:
guess you didn't get the memo from the Judge who made those comments
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The central charge against Prescott Bush has a basis in fact. In 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government seized several companies in which he had an interest. Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the Nazi party — in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler. Ergo, Prescott helped finance the Nazis.

An article by journalist Toby Rogers posted on Loftus's Web site makes an even more explosive charge. Another company in which Prescott and his associates had a stake was the Silesian-American Corporation (SAC), which owned several industrial concerns in Poland. The Auschwitz death camp was established in a district where SAC already had a steel plant. The plant allegedly used forced labor from Auschwitz during World War II. The article asserts that "a portion of the slave labor force in Poland was 'managed by Prescott Bush,' according to a Dutch intelligence agent." (See john-loftus.com.)

The slave labor charge is easy to dismiss. SAC plants in Poland were taken over by the German government after the Nazi invasion of 1939, and the Auschwitz prison camp wasn't established until 1940. No one can seriously claim that Prescott Bush managed camp inmates in any of those plants.

Prescott's involvement with Nazi finance is more complicated. Though Thyssen had been an ardent backer of the Nazis in the early days, he broke with them in 1938 after the Kristallnacht pogrom against the Jews. He fled to Switzerland the following year, and Hitler confiscated his fortune and stripped him of his citizenship. In I Paid Hitler Thyssen confessed his role in financing the Nazis and denounced the Führer. Arrested in Vichy France, he spent the balance of the war as an Axis prisoner. Prescott Bush, for his part, owned a single share of stock (of 4,000) in UBC, the Thyssen bank. According to a 2001 Boston Globe piece, the New York Herald Tribune ran a story in July 1942 headlined "Hitler's Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank," in which Prescott and other BBH partners "explain[ed] to government regulators that their position [as directors of UBC] was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client."
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The Straight Dope: Was President Bush's great-grandfather a Nazi?
 
NIMBY said:
http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Scroll to Union Banking corporation and enjoy..
Wiki cleaned up what Jewish folks say about P. Bush..I won't with future posts .
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The reality is far from your fantasy, please carry on, it's fun sometimes to deconstruct such, but do come up with something new, you're starting to bore me with the bs.
 
So I don't like the Government declassified materials so I'll just speak past them and about nothing..
MrVicchio said:
The reality is far from your fantasy, please carry on, it's fun sometimes to deconstruct such, but do come up with something new, you're starting to bore me with the bs.
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So you object to me answering the charge from "apsdt" that I am a "liar"..
I've got a link coming right from FOX for ya..should be good enough, eh..
And why would Prescott Bush's bank be seized in October 1942 under "The Trading With The Enemy Act"?
MrVicchio said:
Oh, the old "Bush family be Nazi's" canard. If that's all you got, I mock you.
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This was about the Judge in Michigan who laid probable cause for an appeal of the bankrupcy on the table due to actions
of the Michigan Governor and State Legislature..Fair and balanced .
NIMBY said:
guess you didn't get the memo from the Judge who made those comments
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Now it's one guy you give in to..I thought you said I "lied" about P. Bush..
Too bad all of the declassified articles speak of "cabals" of "German-sympathizers" in America..
The very people who sent thousands of merchant seamen to the bottom of the Atlantic by opposing war..
Always opposing something of every Democratic POTUS since Taft .
apdst said:
One guy?

You people have been tripping about W's grandpa doing business with Germany for 13 years. Pitiful...no?
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NIMBY said:
http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Scroll to Union Banking corporation and enjoy..
Wiki cleaned up what Jewish folks say about P. Bush..I won't with future posts .
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The HUAC pursued this plot.

I guess the HUAC were the good guys when going after Nazis and bad guys when going after Commies. Yes?
 
NIMBY said:
Now it's one guy you give in to..I thought you said I "lied" about P. Bush..
Too bad all of the declassified articles speak of "cabals" of "German-sympathizers" in America..
The very people who sent thousands of merchant seamen to the bottom of the Atlantic by opposing war..
Always opposing something of every Democratic POTUS since Taft .
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I said you lied about the entire GOP, as you've suggested worked against the war effort.

Do you know that the war started in 1941? Not in 1934?
 
APACHERAT said:
"Peace for Our Time" as President Obama throws Japan under the bus and appeases China.

Remember not to long ago when America was a "Super Power" ?

>"Top Obama administration and Pentagon officials signaled a willingness to temporarily accept China's new, controversial air defense identification zone on Wednesday. Those officials expressed disapproval for the way in which the Asian power has flexed its muscles, and cautioned China not to implement the zone. But they also carved out wiggle room in which the United States and China ultimately could find common ground on the issue, indicating that they may be willing to live with the zone for now -- as long as China backs off its demand that all aircraft traveling through it check in first.

"It wasn't the declaration of the ADIZ that actually was destabilizing," said Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, America's highest-ranking military officer. "It was their assertion that they would cause all aircraft entering the ADIZ to report regardless of whether they were intending to enter into the sovereign airspace of China. And that is destabilizing."

That's a change from just a few days ago, when U.S. Vice President :laughat: Joe Biden demanded that China take back its declaration of the zone. And it's another demonstration that China's recent decisions have forced the United States to tread carefully. On Wednesday, Biden met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing for more than five hours, according to a senior administration official. In brief public remarks midway through the marathon session, Biden didn't mention the air defense zone at all..."<
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That does sound like the government is doing an Obama on the Japanese there. Mr Cave In rides again. The Japanese should establish bases on the islands together with the South Koreans.
But if Obama really does let those two allies down, we will see two new atomically armed nations a few years down the road.
 
Meanwhile in real life.



The Cons are more than happy to box up your jobs and ship them over to China, your "enemy".

:roll:
 
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