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Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

Peter Grimm said:
Somebody make the case to me why it even matters where we're ranked?

Some people are going to sweep floors, cook burgers, and so forth. Not everyone is going to be a rocket scientist.

I'm actually quite happy knowing the best universities in the world are in the United States.
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While I dont esp care for or agree with the bold, if that is someone's choice, fine. But then I dont want to hear about them complaining they are entitled to being paid more than those jobs are worth. As in not necessarily a 'living wage' or raising the minimum wage to accommodate them.

And while I got stuck contributing to their education which it appears they didnt make much use of...I dont want to have pay for their public assistance after either.
 
Lursa said:
While I dont esp care for or agree with the bold, if that is someone's choice, fine. But then I dont want to hear about them complaining they are entitled to being paid more than those jobs are worth. As in not necessarily a 'living wage' or raising the minimum wage to accommodate them.

And while I got stuck contributing to their education which it appears they didnt make much use of...I dont want to have pay for their public assistance after either.
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You make it sound like it's a bad thing that someone has to sweep the floors. Would you rather walk around in filth? The floors need to be swept, and someone physically has to do it. Whoever that person is deserves a dignified living wage and doesn't deserve your vitriol just because you look down on what they do for a living.
 
US Conservative said:
True, and they spend 16K per year on each pupil. Its not a money thing-Utah for years was near the top nationally with very little spent per pupil.
Liberals can't explain it, and unions oppose any competition that might improve things. Gotta love CA's special interest groups.
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The Unions who run education in California love to attempt to suggest that spending per student is among the lowest in the US, yet they fail to add in the $20 billion they just spent over the last few years on school construction, or the additional $80 billion it will cost over the years to pay off the bonds.

Throw in the $1 billion the LA Unified is planning to spend to hand out iPads to every student, and the massive drop out rate should be appauling to anyone with a brain.

At the end of the day, it's what happens at home, and by the parents, that counts. No amount of theft from the Unions hidden inside some feel good agenda will change that.
 
Peter Grimm said:
So giving food to hungry children is a bad thing?
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Why that's exactly what I suggested. You get the "cutting to the chase" award.

Actually, I was suggesting that eliminating parents because Progressive educators look at them as nothing more than penises and vagina's designed to produce a product they get to manipulate for financial gain for 18 years or so, is disgusting.

I'm sure that's what you really meant to post.
 
Lursa said:
While I dont esp care for or agree with the bold, if that is someone's choice, fine. But then I dont want to hear about them complaining they are entitled to being paid more than those jobs are worth. As in not necessarily a 'living wage' or raising the minimum wage to accommodate them.

And while I got stuck contributing to their education which it appears they didnt make much use of...I dont want to have pay for their public assistance after either.
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Even if EVERYONE was college educated, people still need to sweep floors, work at McDonalds, etc. You are also assuming everyone is just as smart as everyone else, which is clearly not true. You shouldn't be discriminated because of your intelligence level. You should be rewarded for being clever and doing a good job, yes, but people across the board deserve a living wage.
 
ocean515 said:
Why that's exactly what I suggested. You get the "cutting to the chase" award.

Actually, I was suggesting that eliminating parents because Progressive educators look at them as nothing more than penises and vagina's designed to produce a product they get to manipulate for financial gain for 18 years or so, is disgusting.

I'm sure that's what you really meant to post.
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Kids aren't forced to eat there, so how are parents being eliminated?

If the school were dragging kids from their parents dinner table to go eat at school you would have a point, but that's not what's going on here.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Kids aren't forced to eat there, so how are parents being eliminated?

If the school were dragging kids from their parents dinner table to go eat at school you would have a point, but that's not what's going on here.
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Right. I guess when the parents throw out the dinner table because they don't need to worry about it, there is nothing to comment about.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Very bizarre way to look at a profession of individuals who puts their lives on the line to save others. People who will risk their lives running into burning buildings are not a dime a dozen.
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Again, you just don't understand what money is. It is not a reward for doing good. And there are many, many more people that can and will do the noble work of a firefighter than there are that can successfully quarterback an NFL team or perform brain surgery.
 
ocean515 said:
Right. I guess when the parents throw out the dinner table because they don't need to worry about it, there is nothing to comment about.
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Let me know when you have any evidence of that actually happening.
 
Erod said:
Again, you just don't understand what money is. It is not a reward for doing good. And there are many, many more people that can and will do the noble work of a firefighter than there are that can successfully quarterback an NFL team or perform brain surgery.
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You think it's fair that a football player is paid better than a firefighter? I think it's a sad reflection on our culture, and a basic failure of capitalism.
 
trfjr said:
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Teens in Asia dominate global test; US stagnant

And we spend more per child on education then any other country. in 2011 we spent $7,743 per child two times as much as the Asian countries do
U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC | USC Rossier Online

so I don't want to hear any solutions that is about wasting more money on a broken system

First and for most we need to get rid of the teachers unions they are more concerned about stuffing their pockets then educating our children

second we need to pay teachers based on performance and not on tenure like they do every where else in the private sector

third we need to implement school choice let the schools compete for students and when there is competition there is improvement
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I've heard this all my life. After 45 years--happy birthday to me--Asia is still a collection of countries that are nothing more than corrupt ****holes.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You think it's fair that a football player is paid better than a firefighter? I think it's a sad reflection on our culture, and a basic failure of capitalism.
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Football players generate more revenue than firefighters. It's just reality.
 
apdst said:
Football players generate more revenue than firefighters. It's just reality.
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I know HOW it works, the issue is still that it's not right for a football player to be paid more than a firefighter. I know that's the way the system works, my point is this is an indication the system is broken.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I know HOW it works, the issue is still that it's not right for a football player to be paid more than a firefighter. I know that's the way the system works, my point is this is an indication the system is broken.
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No, the system works just fine A job is paid what it's worth.
 
Erod said:
Again, you just don't understand what money is. It is not a reward for doing good. And there are many, many more people that can and will do the noble work of a firefighter than there are that can successfully quarterback an NFL team or perform brain surgery.
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Again, What we as a society place value on is seriously skewed.
 
apdst said:
No, the system works just fine A job is paid what it's worth.
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There is "value" in saving human lives from burning buildings and car wrecks? Hmm maybe pay a Firefighter per person they save?
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Somebody make the case to me why it even matters where we're ranked?

Some people are going to sweep floors, cook burgers, and so forth. Not everyone is going to be a rocket scientist.

I'm actually quite happy knowing the best universities in the world are in the United States.
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Heres the problem-a large number of students in those universities are not americans-especially in the hard sciences. Americans are getting low-rung degrees in things like education.

The US is the worlds leader in technology and innovation-so if we lose that in exchange for menial low-wage jobs, it harms us economically, educationally, and limits our long term growth.
 
Lursa said:
While I dont esp care for or agree with the bold, if that is someone's choice, fine. But then I dont want to hear about them complaining they are entitled to being paid more than those jobs are worth. As in not necessarily a 'living wage' or raising the minimum wage to accommodate them.

And while I got stuck contributing to their education which it appears they didnt make much use of...I dont want to have pay for their public assistance after either.
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Exactly, at one time Americans went out and learned the skills needed to get others to pay them. It was a crucial factor in American success.

Now people with entry level skill sets would rather appeal to emotion to take more than they are worth-no longer is there a drive to succeed.
 
hjl1991 said:
Even if EVERYONE was college educated, people still need to sweep floors, work at McDonalds, etc. You are also assuming everyone is just as smart as everyone else, which is clearly not true. You shouldn't be discriminated because of your intelligence level. You should be rewarded for being clever and doing a good job, yes, but people across the board deserve a living wage.
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If you think entitlements will make things better please show some evidence.

Who, btw determines what a "living wage" is? Unions? The Democrat party?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Kids aren't forced to eat there, so how are parents being eliminated?

If the school were dragging kids from their parents dinner table to go eat at school you would have a point, but that's not what's going on here.
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Thats right-parents are great at enrolling in these programs, thereby removing the need to feed their own kids, allowing them to spend that money elsewhere. Just another of the ways that the state is able to step in and separate people from their responsibilities.
 
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