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Pope issues mission statement for papacy

Hatuey said:
Either it does or doesn't. You can't have it both ways.
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He is in your heart or he is not. That's just the way it is.

One day you may have an epiphany, or you might not.

I make no claim to understanding the relationship, or non relationship, between God and Man. It's easier to debate religion than God.
 
clownboy said:
"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be. ... of him shall be much required". I doubt highly that means you get to live in the lap of luxury while giving away a portion of the wealth folks have donated for just that charitable purpose.
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I'm pretty sure the pope sleeps in a simple, military style single cot. Matter of fact, here's a picture of the living quarters:

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Man, nobody in the Vatican lives the life of luxury. Sure, the Vatican is a beautiful place adorned with the world's most beautiful artwork (could be said about the whole catholic empire worldwide), but that's because the church is 2000 years old and many, many donations to its beautification and infrastructure have been made by the faithful during that timespan.

Is that really a bad thing? Personally, I'm not Catholic but I love walking in to old Catholic churches and admiring the grandeur, I can certainly appreciate the beauty of things like the sistine chapel, the statues of donatello and michaelangelo, etc.

Would the world be a better place without these things?
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'm pretty sure the pope sleeps in a simple, military style single cot. Matter of fact, here's a picture of the living quarters:

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Man, nobody in the Vatican lives the life of luxury. Sure, the Vatican is a beautiful place adorned with the world's most beautiful artwork (could be said about the whole catholic empire worldwide), but that's because the church is 2000 years old and many, many donations to its beautification and infrastructure have been made by the faithful during that timespan.

Is that really a bad thing? Personally, I'm not Catholic but I love walking in to old Catholic churches and admiring the grandeur, I can certainly appreciate the beauty of things like the sistine chapel, the statues of donatello and michaelangelo, etc.

Would the world be a better place without these things?
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It seems to me that the finest art, music, architecture and so on, was created and inspired by the glory of God. Today there is less God in our lives but also less beauty as well.

I once saw a cartoon of Christopher Wren talking to a friend outside of his newly created cathedral and the caption read," If we can do this now, just think what they'll be able to do 500 years from now". What will we be known for 500 years from now?
 
Grant said:
It seems to me that the finest art, music, architecture and so on, was created and inspired by the glory of God. Today there is less God in our lives but also less beauty as well.

I once saw a cartoon of Christopher Wren talking to a friend outside of his newly created cathedral and the caption read," If we can do this now, just think what they'll be able to do 500 years from now". What will we be known for 500 years from now?
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Oh I couldn't agree more. 100 percent. The loss of art as an expression of beauty is a sad modern fact. In the past, they made sculptures like Michaelangelo's David and painted the Mona Lisa. Today's art is things like Piss Christ or a partially dissected horse suspended by wire.

We have no art anymore. We have flaming homosexual hipsters who wear funny hats and bright colors who masquerade as artists for its chicness, who use their "art" as a cathartic form of lashing out at the world that rejected them. It's a celebration of the obscene and the ugly, of hatred and bitterness.

Well, that doesn't apply to everything done today, but a good amount of it.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Oh I couldn't agree more. 100 percent. The loss of art as an expression of beauty is a sad modern fact. In the past, they made sculptures like Michaelangelo's David and painted the Mona Lisa. Today's art is things like Piss Christ or a partially dissected horse suspended by wire.

We have no art anymore. We have flaming homosexual hipsters who wear funny hats and bright colors who masquerade as artists for its chicness, who use their "art" as a cathartic form of lashing out at the world that rejected them. It's a celebration of the obscene and the ugly.

Well, that doesn't apply to everything done today, but a good amount of it.
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Yea, no **** - it's called the Internet.
 
SMTA said:
Yea, no **** - it's called the Internet.
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Just go to your local art gallery. I mean for christ's sake, I was there the other day and we had two exhibits going at the same time and talk about your chiaroscuro, stark juxtaposition to really highlight my point: One of the exhibits is ancient greek and roman sculpture. Just beautiful, beautiful artwork. The centerpiece of the exhibit is the world famous discobolus shown here.

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The other exhibit going on is some lesbian photographer that has taken 200 photographs of herself in different outfits. She's not an attractive woman. The point, or so they say, is to show the different sides of this woman. So it's her as a lover, her in a business suit, her dressed like a child, etc. Frankly, it was horrible and my date and I spent the evening mocking it.

But it goes to show.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Just go to your local art gallery. I mean for christ's sake, I was there the other day and we had two exhibits going at the same time and talk about your chiaroscuro, stark juxtaposition to really highlight my point: One of the exhibits is ancient greek and roman sculpture. Just beautiful, beautiful artwork. The centerpiece of the exhibit is the world famous discobolus shown here.

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The other exhibit going on is some lesbian photographer that has taken 200 photographs of herself in different outfits. She's not an attractive woman. The point, or so they say, is to show the different sides of this woman. So it's her as a lover, her in a business suit, her dressed like a child, etc. Frankly, it was horrible and my date and I spent the evening mocking it.

But it goes to show.
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Instead you liked the muscular men. No biggie,,,So do you remember the name of this lesbian photographer?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Just go to your local art gallery. I mean for christ's sake, I was there the other day and we had two exhibits going at the same time and talk about your chiaroscuro, stark juxtaposition to really highlight my point: One of the exhibits is ancient greek and roman sculpture. Just beautiful, beautiful artwork. The centerpiece of the exhibit is the world famous discobolus shown here.

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The other exhibit going on is some lesbian photographer that has taken 200 photographs of herself in different outfits. She's not an attractive woman. The point, or so they say, is to show the different sides of this woman. So it's her as a lover, her in a business suit, her dressed like a child, etc. Frankly, it was horrible and my date and I spent the evening mocking it.

But it goes to show.
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We live in the country by choice.

We see beauty in nature every day, and our kids love it.

One can find beauty and magnificence if one is willing to look for it.
 
winston53660 said:
Instead you liked the muscular men. No biggie,,,So do you remember the name of this lesbian photographer?
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Hey they had sculptures of men and women, but yes, the Ancient Greeks were pretty homoerotic. But the difference is their artwork celebrated form and beauty, whereas ours is just a ****ing pile.

I don't remember the photographer's name, sorry. She looked like you would imagine the bee girl from the Blind Melon video would look in her early 40's. The only reason I'm sure she was a lesbian is because, like I said, some of the photographs were her "as a lover." Fully nude, licking twat.

I mean, how conceited can you get.... 200 pictures of yourself in different outfits doing different things. Pfffff. And they call that art.
 
SMTA said:
We live in the country by choice.

We see beauty in nature every day, and our kids love it.

One can find beauty and magnificence if one is willing to look for it.
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I like this answer. Cheers.
 
"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?"
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to credit: i saw this on another board as a quote from the papal statement. worth re-posting
 
Peter Grimm said:
Hey they had sculptures of men and women, but yes, the Ancient Greeks were pretty homoerotic. But the difference is their artwork celebrated form and beauty, whereas ours is just a ****ing pile.

I don't remember the photographer's name, sorry. She looked like you would imagine the bee girl from the Blind Melon video would look in her early 40's. The only reason I'm sure she was a lesbian is because, like I said, some of the photographs were her "as a lover." Fully nude, licking twat.

I mean, how conceited can you get.... 200 pictures of yourself in different outfits doing different things. Pfffff. And they call that art.
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You don't even know what you are talking about.
 
Peter Grimm said:
lol what the ****? what is that photographer your sister or something? you dabble in art on the side a little?

you, sir, are a hater.
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Or baiter.

Your point is well made. I was looking forward to visiting the Guggenheim in Balboa but as it was late in the afternoon and didn't know if we would have enough time, The women taking tickets said it would only take about 45 minutes, which surprised me, but that was about it. Nothing artistic at all, except in the fashion you described earlier, but the pretentiousness was damned funny! It's an ugly structure as well.

There was a large cat statue outside covered in flowers and that was far and away the best part.
 
Grant said:
Or baiter.

Your point is well made. I was looking forward to visiting the Guggenheim in Balboa but as it was late in the afternoon and didn't know if we would have enough time, The women taking tickets said it would only take about 45 minutes, which surprised me, but that was about it. Nothing artistic at all, except in the fashion you described earlier, but the pretentiousness was damned funny! It's an ugly structure as well.

There was a large cat statue outside covered in flowers and that was far and away the best part.
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LOL that's pretty funny. I don't mean to say all artwork done today is bad, just a lot of it. I really like Chicago's art museum a lot.... one thing I miss the most about living there. Their Edward Hopper exhibit is phenomenal, and I believe he did most of his work in the 1940's, which is relatively recent.

I'm also a big fan of the architecture done between the 20's and 40's... before they really learned about rebar I suppose. Chicago is an interesting city, beautiful architecture for example around Grant Park and the museums, and then that horrendous monstrosity formerly known as Sears Tower. Where's your terrorist with a 747 when you need one? At 2am when noone's in it, of course.
 
Hatuey said:
Pope issues mission statement for papacy



I'm by no means a fan of the Catholic Church. It's a corrupt group of old men presiding over who gets rich from the poor. However, I'm definitely an ideological fan of this pope. Though I doubt he'll restore the church in his lifetime, I do find him to be far more open to change than his predecessors. He's tackling internal issues. He's attacking a society that sees wealth as a goal and not a means. I definitely like him.
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Words are nice, actions are better. Does this mean he will move out of the Vatican, sell off the billions of dollars worth of assets to help the poor. Or his advice only for others.
 
Peter Grimm said:
LOL that's pretty funny. I don't mean to say all artwork done today is bad, just a lot of it. I really like Chicago's art museum a lot.... one thing I miss the most about living there. Their Edward Hopper exhibit is phenomenal, and I believe he did most of his work in the 1940's, which is relatively recent.
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I like Hopper too and if you've ever seen the introduction to the movies on TCM I would say they are Hopper inspired. And cafe scene seems that way.

I'm also a big fan of the architecture done between the 20's and 40's... before they really learned about rebar I suppose. .
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You mean art deco?
 
Ray410 said:
The Pope is making a mistake by trying to subtly adopt the agenda and talking points of the American left. In the long run, this will greatly weaken the Catholic Church.
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Do you know Jesus?
 
washunut said:
Words are nice, actions are better. Does this mean he will move out of the Vatican, sell off the billions of dollars worth of assets to help the poor. Or his advice only for others.
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Do you believe that if the Vatican sold off all their assets poverty would disappear?

If the rich gave the poor all of their money, how long do you think it would take for them to get it all back again?
 
Grant said:
Do you believe that if the Vatican sold off all their assets poverty would disappear?

If the rich gave the poor all of their money, how long do you think it would take for them to get it all back again?
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Not sure what you are saying? Was everything the Pope said, B.S.
 
Grant said:
I like Hopper too and if you've ever seen the introduction to the movies on TCM I would say they are Hopper inspired. And cafe scene seems that way.
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Nighthawks is a spellbinding piece of artwork, when you see it in person it sucks your attention right in. Really magnificent. The way he's able to illustrate light is just masterful, it looks like the painting is actually glowing. I don't know if the piece has any deeper meaning I'm supposed to take from it, but that was the one that, when I saw it, I just had that "now that is cool" reaction to.



Grant said:
You mean art deco?
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Beaux Arts
 
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