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Militia group calls for Obama's assassination

Ikari said:
Wow, no need to go off the deep end with the ad homs there. Yes, force can be used against the exercise of rights, this is true. This doesn't mean the right doesn't exist, it merely means you live in treason and tyranny and that you are justified in revolt. Nothing more. Without rights, there is no justification for fighting against oppression.
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First, read what I actually posted, didn't go for ad homs, at least not directed at you. Lots of folks use the word "rights" incorrectly, in ways that bear little resemblence to reality. They are looked at as a little off.

And that's exactly what it means - the right didn't exist here until the Constitution was written and ratified.

You are so wrong. There are plenty of justifications to fight against oppression, including that you want certain rights that don't exist in your society.

Look there's already a thread that I've been avoiding because it's filled with the folks that think there are "natural" rights that we're magically imbued with. Take the natural rights nonsense there. This isn't that thread.
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, it's funny allowing people the exercise of their rights.

You have anything of any importance to argue, or is this just useless fluff and stupid posting?
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What's wrong? What you posted was funny. Sorry if you don't think so.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Tell that to Hitler...
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Huh? Hitler never had plans to take the US by force that I'm aware of. Europe, yes, but that's been done before and it didn't take all that long, and it was done from inside the continent.
 
clownboy said:
First, read what I actually posted, didn't go for ad homs, at least not directed at you. Lots of folks use the word "rights" incorrectly, in ways that bear little resemblence to reality. They are looked at as a little off.

And that's exactly what it means - the right didn't exist here until the Constitution was written and ratified.

You are so wrong. There are plenty of justifications to fight against oppression, including that you want certain rights that don't exist in your society.

Look there's already a thread that I've been avoiding because it's filled with the folks that think there are "natural" rights that we're magically imbued with. Take the natural rights nonsense there. This isn't that thread.
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Wanting rights doesn't give justification towards revolt if you do not have rights to start with. Justification for fighting oppression is rooted in the base rights of humans themselves.

Essentially, what you want to do here is say "this isn't the thread to discuss rights, your wrong and I'm right". Which is pretty pathetic argument to start with, you're just trying to define yourself as right. The justification to rise up against oppression is born in the natural rights of the individual. Without them, you have no right, no justification, to fight.
 
clownboy said:
Huh? Hitler never had plans to take the US by force that I'm aware of. Europe, yes, but that's been done before and it didn't take all that long, and it was done from inside the continent.
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Well your point was that the US was to large of a landmass ...
 
Kobie said:
LOLWUT. My goal is "intimidation and murder"? OK, I'll bite. To what exactly are you referring?
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Mr.Nk slightly generalized, but basically, you liberals are very dangerous people who are ready to kill just for the idea.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Well your point was that the US was to large of a landmass ...
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Nope, not entirely, read it again. It was a hard landmass for them to occupy because it is large, geographically distant, extremely varied by climate and has never been totally conquered. Supply is a huge problem for an invading force.
 
loader said:
Mr.Nk slightly generalized, but basically, you liberals are very dangerous people who are ready to kill just for the idea.
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It's not a liberal problem so much as it is a zealot problem.
 
Ikari said:
Wanting rights doesn't give justification towards revolt if you do not have rights to start with. Justification for fighting oppression is rooted in the base rights of humans themselves.
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Stop right there. That's absolute rubbish. Who are you to say what is justification for people wishing to revolt? Our founders wanted the right to representation, a right they did not have, and so they revolted to gain that right.
 
clownboy said:
Stop right there. That's absolute rubbish. Who are you to say what is justification for people wishing to revolt? Our founders wanted the right to representation, a right they did not have, and so they revolted to gain that right.
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But what was their justification to do so? That we had the right to representation, that we had the right to dictate our own future and rule our own government, that we had the right to defend our freedoms and liberties against government aggression. The revolted to gain exercise of the right, but the right existed beforehand.
 
clownboy said:
Nope, not entirely, read it again. It was a hard landmass for them to occupy because it is large, geographically distant, extremely varied by climate and has never been totally conquered. Supply is a huge problem for an invading force.
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LOL.... Yeah and the US is tropical..... WTF....

No nation has EVER had the desire to invade the United States because 2/3rds of us are armed (or have access to arms)..

Stalin even admitted his concern with a potential US invasion wasn't our military but the armed civilians...
 
OldWorldOrder said:
It's not a liberal problem so much as it is a zealot problem.
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Sure. This is a problem for those, who liberals want to kill. And liberals want to kill anyone at least a little disagree with them.
 
loader said:
Mr.Nk slightly generalized, but basically, you liberals are very dangerous people who are ready to kill just for the idea.
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Ooookay. :roll:

loader said:
Sure. This is a problem for those, who liberals want to kill. And liberals want to kill anyone at least a little disagree with them.
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Are you drunk?
 
Mr.Nick said:
LOL.... Yeah and the US is tropical..... WTF....

No nation has EVER had the desire to invade the United States because 2/3rds of us are armed (or have access to arms)..
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The presence of weapons, at each Switzerland citizen, stopped Hitler's attempt to seize Switzerland. Perhaps not only that, but this one also.
 
loader said:
Sure. This is a problem for those, who liberals want to kill. And liberals want to kill anyone at least a little disagree with them.
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See? A zealot.
 
Ikari said:
But what was their justification to do so? That we had the right to representation, that we had the right to dictate our own future and rule our own government, that we had the right to defend our freedoms and liberties against government aggression. The revolted to gain exercise of the right, but the right existed beforehand.
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No. Again you're travelling a tricky semantic path that's leading you to nonsense. We didn't have the right to dictate our own future and rule our own government, because we didn't have our own government yet. And there is no "right" to revolt. We decide to revolt in sufficient number and that either carries the day and we establish the rights we desired, or we lose and go back to not having those rights.

Once again the justification is simple. We wanted certain rights we did not have in our current government, so we fought to create our own government (and won) and then established those rights we desired.
 
Mr.Nick said:
LOL.... Yeah and the US is tropical..... WTF....

No nation has EVER had the desire to invade the United States because 2/3rds of us are armed (or have access to arms)..

Stalin even admitted his concern with a potential US invasion wasn't our military but the armed civilians...
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First I doubt that even in the 50s 2/3rds of us were armed. Second our real strength is that we are a collection of varied states with a huge and varied landmass. And where did I even mention tropical? Though some parts of the US are indeed tropical.
 
How much longer before THIS one lands in the basement??
 
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