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US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

MarineTpartier said:
Standard conservative answers. So what if Iran screws the pooch? In 6 months are they really going to be that much more ahead of where they are now if they deceive us? The answer is no, they won't. However, if they do deceive us, we can honestly say we gave them a shot to sit at the table with the rest of the civilized world and they screwed it up. Then, the very few countries that have supported them will have even more pressure on them to join in the sanctions (Russia and China come to mind). It's worth a friggin shot. We've being doing the status quo for the past 30 some odd years and it's gotten us nowhere.

It's also the right time to do it. With us pulling out of Afghanistan, if this thing is screwed up, we won't be in Afghanistan to feel the pain of it. We'll be pulling out already. Pres Obama screws a lot of stuff up, but I don't think he screwed this one up. Let me guess, you guys would rather we just go over and turn the country into a parking lot huh?

Finally, Iran has just as much reason to distrust us as we do them. If you guys read a little history, we were the ones who decided to meddle in their affairs way back in the 50's. All in the name of oil. So who should distrust who in this scenario?
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No we "prefer" to not put Israel into a situation where they have no other alternative than to strike out at Iran. Which this deal does nicely.

If you think we're isolated from a Middle Eastern all out war, your'e sadly misinformed.

With a economy that, after 5 years is still on life support, having the Straight of Hormuz blocked because Israel decided to lob a few nuclear tipped bunker busting bombs into Irans centrifuges would be a real economic bummer for America.

Iran's a snake and I was always told you don't trust a snake.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

US Conservative said:
The timing, the saturday press release-it all screams distraction. Thats what this is-something to get our minds off of Obamacare.
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Yep, because a lot of people are up at 11:30 on a Saturday night. And for those that are up, I'm sure the drunken masses were the exact crowd he was targeting. Come on man! Give it a rest. The only thing that would distract our country from the failure of Obamacare is one of a few things.
A) He admits he is, in fact, Kenyan.
B) Iran launched a nuke instead of agreeing to halt the development of them.
C) WWIII broke out with some alliance of countries including Russia, China, and [insert Middle Eastern conglomerate of countries that hate us].
If you allowed this to distract you from Obamacare, it obviously isn't hurting you that bad.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

US Conservative said:
The timing, the saturday press release-it all screams distraction. Thats what this is-something to get our minds off of Obamacare.
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Yes. When you really want to make a big news splash and distract people, you always plan it for a Saturday night.

Brilliant analysis!
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

MarineTpartier said:
Yep, because a lot of people are up at 11:30 on a Saturday night. And for those that are up, I'm sure the drunken masses were the exact crowd he was targeting. Come on man! Give it a rest. The only thing that would distract our country from the failure of Obamacare is one of a few things.
A) He admits he is, in fact, Kenyan.
B) Iran launched a nuke instead of agreeing to halt the development of them.
C) WWIII broke out with some alliance of countries including Russia, China, and [insert Middle Eastern conglomerate of countries that hate us].
If you allowed this to distract you from Obamacare, it obviously isn't hurting you that bad.
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Again, its not me, its the masses who are easy to distract.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Threegoofs said:
Yes. When you really want to make a big news splash and distract people, you always plan it for a Saturday night.

Brilliant analysis!
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Context. This has been in the works for months-and there was no need to publicise this now.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

News item: Multinational nuke agreement reached with Iran.

Rest of the world: Yay!
Democrats: Yay!
Republicans: OH GAWD NO WE'RE GONNA DIE OH GAWD THE NUKES OBAMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

US Conservative said:
Again, its not me, its the masses who are easy to distract.
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Dat avatar.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Phys251 said:
News item: Multinational nuke agreement reached with Iran.

Rest of the world: Yay!
Democrats: Yay!
Republicans: OH GAWD NO WE'RE GONNA DIE OH GAWD THE NUKES OBAMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Its just more feel good bs. Obama deserves the skepticism.
 
Phys251 said:
News item: Multinational nuke agreement reached with Iran.


Rest of the world: Yay!
Democrats: Yay!
Republicans: OH GAWD NO WE'RE GONNA DIE OH GAWD THE NUKES OBAMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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LOL !!

Yes I remember all of the Celebration in the Mid 90s when Carter managed to get NK to drop ALL Nuclear ambitions....

10 years later...BOOM, and then another BOOM.

Democrats and the "rest of the world " have selective memories.

"Republicans" and Israel know this is a Joke.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Fenton said:
No we "prefer" to not put Israel into a situation where they have no other alternative than to strike out at Iran. Which this deal does nicely.
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Israel can take care of themselves as they have demonstrated before. In addition, Israel should not dictate our foreign policy. Yes, they should be heavily considered, but they shouldn't dictate it. However, this deal (if it goes the way it's supposed to) will assure Israel that they are safe from a nuclear Iran. It's not like this is a permanent thing. It's a 6 month deal.
Fenton said:
If you think we're isolated from a Middle Eastern all out war, your'e sadly misinformed.
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If you think we're anywhere close to an all out Middle Eastern war, YOU'RE sadly misinformed. That, or worry mongering.
Fenton said:
With a economy that, after 5 years is still on life support, having the Straight of Hormuz blocked because Israel decided to lob a few nuclear tipped bunker busting bombs into Irans centrifuges would be a real economic bummer for America.
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So you believe that Israel's answer to Iranian possession of nukes would be to launch nukes? Doubtful. Israel knows, just like every other country on this Earth, that launching nukes does nothing but initiate WWIII. Israel doesn't want that any more than we do.
Fenton said:
Iran's a snake and I was always told you don't trust a snake.
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I don't remember you telling me anything.......anyway, I agree Iran is not trustworthy. However, it's worth a shot to give them the chance to fall on their sword. It's a win win situation for us. 6 months is not enough time for them to develop any sort of weapon therefore we are giving them the rope to hang themselves with. They can either play ball and submit to inspections or they can do what they normally do and totally reinforce our position of heavy sanctions. We lose nothing in those scenarios. If you've got some alternative to those two possible courses of action, I'd like to hear it.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

US Conservative said:
Again, its not me, its the masses who are easy to distract.
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Iran is way down on the issues our country cares about man. Waaaay down. Especially when we have something so close to home that immediately hits the pocket book. If anything, the only thing people were concerned about is that Lady Gaga was interrupted while performing on SNL.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

MarineTpartier said:
Standard conservative answers. So what if Iran screws the pooch? In 6 months are they really going to be that much more ahead of where they are now if they deceive us? The answer is no, they won't. However, if they do deceive us, we can honestly say we gave them a shot to sit at the table with the rest of the civilized world and they screwed it up. Then, the very few countries that have supported them will have even more pressure on them to join in the sanctions (Russia and China come to mind). It's worth a friggin shot. We've being doing the status quo for the past 30 some odd years and it's gotten us nowhere.

It's also the right time to do it. With us pulling out of Afghanistan, if this thing is screwed up, we won't be in Afghanistan to feel the pain of it. We'll be pulling out already. Pres Obama screws a lot of stuff up, but I don't think he screwed this one up. Let me guess, you guys would rather we just go over and turn the country into a parking lot huh?

Finally, Iran has just as much reason to distrust us as we do them. If you guys read a little history, we were the ones who decided to meddle in their affairs way back in the 50's. All in the name of oil. So who should distrust who in this scenario?
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What if you're wrong?

If I'm wrong, no harm, no foul. If you're wrong, Iran's sportin' a shiney, new nuke and plenty of harm can be done. At the end of the day, is this feal worth it, just to look like the nice guys? Did the Corps teach you anything about threat assessment?

This is the exact same deal that we gave to the Noko's. How did that turn out?
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

MarineTpartier said:
Iran is way down on the issues our country cares about man. Waaaay down. Especially when we have something so close to home that immediately hits the pocket book. If anything, the only thing people were concerned about is that Lady Gaga was interrupted while performing on SNL.
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Germany was a long way away in 1939.
 
Fenton said:
LOL !!

Yes I remember all of the Celebration in the Mid 90s when Carter managed to get NK to drop ALL Nuclear ambitions....

10 years later...BOOM, and then another BOOM.

Democrats and the "rest of the world " have selective memories.

"Republicans" and Israel know this is a Joke.
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Carter was president in the 90s? North Korea fired their nukes twice during W. Bush's presidency? Wow. I would love to know more about this alternate version of this thing called HISTORY. Do enlighten me.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

apdst said:
What if you're wrong?

If I'm wrong, no harm, no foul. If you're wrong, Iran's sportin' a shiney, new nuke and plenty of harm can be done. At the end of the day, is this feal worth it, just to look like the nice guys? Did the Corps teach you anything about threat assessment?

This is the exact same deal that we gave to the Noko's. How did that turn out?
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Yeah, in 6 months they've got a shiny new nuke even though we already know where every centrifuge is, how much uranium they have, how much they can produce, etc. But just in this case, and only in this case, they would be able to some how develop a nuke with us having no friggin clue it happened.......only in neocon world does that happen.
apdst said:
Germany was a long way away in 1939.
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Yeah, and we were also still able to use blow up tanks and boats to fool the enemy into thinking we were going to conduct assaults. We were also still using birds to detect chemical attacks. We were also using bolt action rifles. This isn't 1939 man. Countries don't just develop nukes without someone seeing it.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Not really, but I think right-wingers would better serve themselves by gaining a Leftist education (particularly post-structuralists and post-colonialists) so as to better understand the mechanisms of empire, so as to evaluate what needs to be changed for the better (whether more moral, or also just to make it work better), but also used to aid foreign policy.

Selfishness is here to stay, everyone is out to get each other, but there is always room to maneuver more humanely and with far less bloodshed. While the UN and the IMF gives audience to many world powers and grants certain stability, only a small segment really pull the direction of the conversation. We think it benefits most, which I tend to believe, but it also really benefits us established powers.
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To summarize, you mean American Exceptionalism, aka arrogant narcissism, which btw is why so many people take exception to Americans.
 
Phys251 said:
Carter was president in the 90s? North Korea fired their nukes twice during W. Bush's presidency? Wow. I would love to know more about this alternate version of this thing called HISTORY. Do enlighten me.
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It's called the mutability of the past.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

US Conservative said:
They work for those of us who are rational.

To a leftist they literally can NOT distinguish evil from non evil, good from bad.
They cant-to do so would be to discriminate.
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Serious question US C; are you a bible believer and/or a Christian?
 
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The Misanthrope said:
To summarize, you mean American Exceptionalism, aka arrogant narcissism, which btw is why so many people take exception to Americans.
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American exceptionalism means many things, only one of which means a mission to spread its influence. Furthermore, regardless if they take exception to it, foreigners would be naive to think they too wouldn't succumb to the desires of spreading their influence and power. We all know they would act in similar ways, indeed, they have at one time or another. The fact that they are indignant now only suggests they are playing the part of the have-not. Once they become the have, their view of power will change accordingly.
 
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