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US, Iran nuclear deal spurs bipartisan concern in Congress

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

Oh mah guard, he exposed me for what I really am :roll: Okay, I'll never call Nips "Japs" again!! :3oops:
BTW, I call Yanks "Seppos", short for septic tanks. This has godda be raysis too, eh?
 
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Of course I may have a problem with it. It might not benefit us, or my conception for what out to be. We have friendly-ish relations with the Germans, we have good relations with the Japanese. Their health benefits us, perhaps only to a point before we start to worry, of course. The Russians, well, we don't like them, so any increase in power without an adoption of western democratic institutions and governmental structures concerns us. Islamic empires concern us because of dramatically different orientation to governmental structure and so forth.

That being said, their desire to increase their standing is only natural. Our intentions is to make sure any rise benefits us, or if it is a threat to us, try to ameliorate it as best as possible.

Its the way of the world.
 
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Approval denotes I support them. I do not, in part, because their actions harmed our interests. Of course, we could cite Manchuria and the Holocaust for additional moral concerns.

To your last question: it depends on the circumstance you cite. If you wish to, say, cite the Indian Wars and the frontier disputes, I would state that both actions were understandable in terms of reactions from both the Tribes and the U.S. On the U.S. side, much of it was foolish and went above and beyond necessity of wartime conduct-thus constituting a moral crime from the U.S.. Nevertheless, it increased our empire. The actions of the Texans in Mexico? While certainly ironic given contemporary complaints of Texans whining about Mexicans not learning the American language, and not respecting the government, their actions ended up benefiting us.

As to war being conducted in pursuit of self-interest, I say, yes. That's the case with war. War is politics through another means.

So when all is said and done you approve of "the end justifies the means". I'll take it you think killing millions of "gook", "slopes" and "niggers" in the pursuit of God (the American one) approved profit is simply a cost of doing necessary business, i.e. improving the lives of the average American.
 
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So when all is said and done you approve of "the end justifies the means". I'll take it you think killing millions of "gook", "slopes" and "niggers" in the pursuit of God (the American one) approved profit is simply a cost of doing necessary business, i.e. improving the lives of the average American.

The end doesn't always justify the means. If the means accomplish the same task, at greater cost to resources, at greater anger toward our state, than another method, it was not entirely justified. That wouldn't necessarily impugn to desire to have an empire or trade agreement in one area or the other, however.

I can see I am getting under your skin by agreeing with your suggestions that we are profit seekers, but denying that as necessarily a bad or unexpected thing. Such is the way with Left-wingers. Remove the glory from their supposed insight and they have nothing but outrage.
 
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The end doesn't always justify the means. If the means accomplish the same task, at greater cost to resources, at greater anger toward our state, than another method, it was not entirely justified. That wouldn't necessarily impugn to desire to have an empire or trade agreement in one area or the other, however.
So morals don't enter into the cynical equation, eh?
 
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So morals don't enter into the cynical equation, eh?

Oh sure they do, but they may not do it in the extent that you think appropriate.
 
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If you read the link I gave you, in this deal they have to halt all enrichment over 5% and they have to "Neutralise its stockpile of near-20% uranium". This is good news.

Oh, yes the link. Actually I have read 7 or 8 articles today and at least two or three a day on the wider subject over the past week or so. So yes, I do know what is in the news. What I have not yet read is the text of the treaty/contract.

We shall see. And in the meantime Iran gets $7 Billion and time. But as I said above, it is important that it sounds as though Iran has gained the right to enrich uranium and we know it has thetechnology to go to weapon grade and that they have a stockpile.

So we will see, what the text says. But that is only part of the story. We shall see.
 
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The end doesn't always justify the means. If the means accomplish the same task, at greater cost to resources, at greater anger toward our state, than another method, it was not entirely justified. That wouldn't necessarily impugn to desire to have an empire or trade agreement in one area or the other, however.

I can see I am getting under your skin by agreeing with your suggestions that we are profit seekers, but denying that as necessarily a bad or unexpected thing. Such is the way with Left-wingers. Remove the glory from their supposed insight and they have nothing but outrage.

All you have done it conveniently tap dance around the question of morals in America's robber baron wars.
 
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All you have done it conveniently tap dance around the question of morals in America's robber baron wars.

On the contrary. I've moved beyond it. Folks that deny the actions of the U.S. tap dance around it.
 
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Its a mistake to judge the morals of a very different and desperate time from your quiet dingo-hole nearly 70 years later, isnt it?
So you contend that morals and ethics are time dependent?
 
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To some extent, yes. Time and place, and event dependent.

such a principled position [/sarcasm for those who need the indicator]
 
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Oh, yes the link. Actually I have read 7 or 8 articles today and at least two or three a day on the wider subject over the past week or so. So yes, I do know what is in the news. What I have not yet read is the text of the treaty/contract.

We shall see. And in the meantime Iran gets $7 Billion and time. But as I said above, it is important that it sounds as though Iran has gained the right to enrich uranium and we know it has thetechnology to go to weapon grade and that they have a stockpile.

So we will see, what the text says. But that is only part of the story. We shall see.

Yeah I don't trust Iran so I like that we get in there to account for what they do and do not have and where they are going.
 
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On the contrary. I've moved beyond it. Folks that deny the actions of the U.S. tap dance around it.
I see. When american martial rape in inevitable, lie back and enjoy it as best you can. It's no use complaining and calling it unfair and immoral "it's the w-a-y of the Americans!" I gotcha, Fiddly Dee!
 
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I see. When american martial rape in inevitable, lie back and enjoy it as best you can. It's no use complaining and calling it unfair and immoral "it's the w-a-y of the Americans!" I gotcha, Fiddly Dee!

Not really, but I think right-wingers would better serve themselves by gaining a Leftist education (particularly post-structuralists and post-colonialists) so as to better understand the mechanisms of empire, so as to evaluate what needs to be changed for the better (whether more moral, or also just to make it work better), but also used to aid foreign policy.

Selfishness is here to stay, everyone is out to get each other, but there is always room to maneuver more humanely and with far less bloodshed. While the UN and the IMF gives audience to many world powers and grants certain stability, only a small segment really pull the direction of the conversation. We think it benefits most, which I tend to believe, but it also really benefits us established powers.
 
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such a principled position [/sarcasm for those who need the indicator]

Its a simple fact. And THIS, is all about domestic policy-mainly Obama's failed namesake.
 
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Now, we have our first Communist president.

If you really believed that, and I know you do not, you don't understand what communism is. I realize you are simply being disingenuous; not ignorant.

If I called Romney or Bush a Republican - Conservative, you would have corrected me. The fact is, it is very difficult, if not impossible, for either party to have a viable POTUS candidate that is not middle of the road.
 
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There will be peace in our time?

They will take advantage like they always do. They wont trust anyone. They certainly wont respect us, they see this as weakness-which they simply dont respect.

We have every reason to distrust Iran.

Standard conservative answers. So what if Iran screws the pooch? In 6 months are they really going to be that much more ahead of where they are now if they deceive us? The answer is no, they won't. However, if they do deceive us, we can honestly say we gave them a shot to sit at the table with the rest of the civilized world and they screwed it up. Then, the very few countries that have supported them will have even more pressure on them to join in the sanctions (Russia and China come to mind). It's worth a friggin shot. We've being doing the status quo for the past 30 some odd years and it's gotten us nowhere.

It's also the right time to do it. With us pulling out of Afghanistan, if this thing is screwed up, we won't be in Afghanistan to feel the pain of it. We'll be pulling out already. Pres Obama screws a lot of stuff up, but I don't think he screwed this one up. Let me guess, you guys would rather we just go over and turn the country into a parking lot huh?

Finally, Iran has just as much reason to distrust us as we do them. If you guys read a little history, we were the ones who decided to meddle in their affairs way back in the 50's. All in the name of oil. So who should distrust who in this scenario?
 
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I didn't vote for him. I had enough of a brain NOT TO equate empty platitudes to presidential qualifications.

You realize Uranium enrichment for Nuclear power needs is in the neighborhood of 3 to 5%?

So your'e good with a misogynistic Theocracies continued increase in enrichment ? I guess I'll chalk it up to the continued Liberals War on women.
He's still your frickin President bro. Mine too. Grab a straw.
 
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Standard conservative answers. So what if Iran screws the pooch? In 6 months are they really going to be that much more ahead of where they are now if they deceive us? The answer is no, they won't. However, if they do deceive us, we can honestly say we gave them a shot to sit at the table with the rest of the civilized world and they screwed it up. Then, the very few countries that have supported them will have even more pressure on them to join in the sanctions (Russia and China come to mind). It's worth a friggin shot. We've being doing the status quo for the past 30 some odd years and it's gotten us nowhere.

It's also the right time to do it. With us pulling out of Afghanistan, if this thing is screwed up, we won't be in Afghanistan to feel the pain of it. We'll be pulling out already. Pres Obama screws a lot of stuff up, but I don't think he screwed this one up. Let me guess, you guys would rather we just go over and turn the country into a parking lot huh?

Finally, Iran has just as much reason to distrust us as we do them. If you guys read a little history, we were the ones who decided to meddle in their affairs way back in the 50's. All in the name of oil. So who should distrust who in this scenario?

This is about Obamas failed domestic politics, NOT any game change in Iran.
 
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This is about Obamas failed domestic politics, NOT any game change in Iran.
Clarify please. It's about domestic politics for you or he is doing this to affect domestic politics?
 
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Clarify please. It's about domestic politics for you or he is doing this to affect domestic politics?

The timing, the saturday press release-it all screams distraction. Thats what this is-something to get our minds off of Obamacare.
 
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He's still your frickin President bro. Mine too. Grab a straw.

He is our Nation's President. not MINE.

I didn't vote for him and I don't support his policies.
 
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