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Senate approves nuclear option

so when you're not proud of the POTUS and get called on it CHEEZE, just cry race--pretty soon it will be "you lie"

Are you mad? You made the implication and now you're projecting because you got caught.

Stop projecting. Not in my back yard or yours, the neighbors, think of your neighbors...
 
But he hasn't been able to due to unrelated events, like two dozen phony scandals.. It is about nominees but play your "worse" games if you must.. Reid has temporarily stopped the "wrongs" of the minority party, not their rights.. he must continue to use it again on nominees held up due to TEAparty primaries back home--at no time has he brought up SCOTUS nominees--please clean this noise up No Dem., especially Sen. Reid, has ever brought up legislation..please clean this up also..And, you can be sure McConnell will push this legislative filibuster to create another crisis .

Whether you're right about Reid not pulling this on legislation, I don't know but would not put it pass him. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I know full well if McConnell ever becomes Senate Majority Leader, he wouldn't hesitate to use the Senator Harry Reid Option on anything and everything. I hope who ever is running in KY beats him, because McConnell reminds me of LBJ, LBJ was one vindictive SOB when it came to getting his way as Senate Majority Leader way back when, McConnell strikes me the same way. I think McConnell would have at least thought twice before pulling something like this, but not anymore since Reid did this. This by itself doesn't bother me, it is the precedence it has set.
 
Today, we're in full agreement. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Changing the rules because you want to give your team a momentary advantage is not only petty, it's downright unsportsmanlike. I would completely support Republicans if they made this an election issue and dragged Democrats through the coals for it. It's disgusting.

I know what you mean. I think the president deserved an up or down vote on all his nominees and I didn't like filibustering them. But this nuclear option has now left me not caring if the president gets one more nominee or not. Perhaps I am now more on the not side of things.
 
how does McConnell's position compare to that he had in 2005??
which of the two faces of McConnell came first??
is it okay to damn America now for what is perceived to have happened then?
or do you believe what McConnell said about Obama ?
you play twister, i'm not interested... both parties are chock full of imbeciles, and there isn't a damn thing you can say to make my like your imbecilic Democratic party... or the idiot GOP, for that matter..


don't talk to me about Harry Reid.. I know more about him that you will ever know.... he's scum... he's corrupt as ****... and because fact don't matter and party is everything to you and your ilk, you adore him.
 
here is a thought, maybe the republicans are (ab)using the filibuster so that they can prove their message that government does not work and use it as their message to campaign on.

maybe we can bring balance by adopting the old roman system of tribunes of the people.

of course that had its own problems too, as shown in this documentary of tiberius Gracchus and how he was a radical in roman politics for wanting land reform:

( the important parts in the video i am referencing is from 1:27- to 4:10)



For me it is more than the filibustering going on. It is also the tabling of most of the bills coming from the house by Reid. The senate has the power to change, amend, delete and add anything they want to those bills, it is in their power. So I looked at the filibuster and the tabling as tit for tat in today's poison atmosphere know as Washington D.C. I have told Nimby many times to prove the republicans as the bad guys, first Reid has to bring those bills to the floor to do his thing as is in his power. Delete the poison pills, amend and add what he wants, then if the republicans filibuster, there is not doubt who is at fault. But senator Reid wouldn't do that.

I do not expect anything else to get done as long as Obama is president and the GOP controls the house. This nuclear option pulled today is like another Chernobyl and radiated that poison atmosphere tens time over.
 
I know what you mean. I think the president deserved an up or down vote on all his nominees and I didn't like filibustering them.
It is not possible to get a vote today without the nuclear option as you say--how much more evidence do you need--I have never seen you talk in these riddles before--
But this nuclear option has now left me not caring if the president gets one more nominee or not. Perhaps I am now more on the not side of things.
as with PPACA--you now support stalemate and the GOP of NO--
 
You keep forgetting to mention how far Sen. Frist took the disagreement in 2004 by being the only Majority leader to ever campaign in the state of the minority leader Sen. Daschle, giving us Sen. Thune..
Frist and McConnell were all about "can't we have an up or down vote" in 2005!!Short memory??

Short memory is possible when I am in the mood I am in. But I am not looking at the past, I am wondering how many times this option will be used by either side. I don't like what I see.
 
And just for fun, thanks to the Washington Times:

I don't know. I actually have grown fond of the back and forths. Truth be told, the public hates the nomination process only when their side is affected. Hypocrisy naturally follows, no matter who is in charge, no matter the decade. Knowing that, I say "join them" without any problem. Be two-faced. At least you have moved beyond the hurdles by knowingly arguing on thing when it suits you, then arguing the other for the same. It's the ones who pretend to have any ethics that are amusing.
 
If you were looking at the present, you would be looking at all of the positions going unfilled in the Obama administation due to a GOP hell-bent on nullifying everything Obama--just say it, it's about nullifying Obama, a confederate thing .
Short memory is possible when I am in the mood I am in. But I am not looking at the past, I am wondering how many times this option will be used by either side. I don't like what I see.
 
I am not so young that I don't remember the tyrannical nature of many communist states and there are lots of tyrannical states that are not socialist in nature today. But social democracy does not have to lead down any path ...it can be an end in itself.
Look at modern Germany.

Modern Germany is an amalgam of pro-socialist and pro-liberty ideals. While it has adopted a few concepts that could be representative of what a Social Democracy would look like it still has a very strong Capitalist core.
 
Let's just waste the remaining three years of Obama filibustering in the Senate and just saying NO to everything in the House..
Not exactly a Reform position ..

Oh I will continue to support the president on issues I think he is right on and against him on issues I think he is wrong on. It's Senator Reid I have a hard one for. I never did like him as he seemed to me to always put party over country along with his opposite. Today he just proved why I dislike him. I am not sure how the republican house reacted to all of this, but I think any future plans the President has is pretty much DOA unless somehow the Democrats can win the house back next year and as it looks today, that ain't gonna happen. But we will see what happens.

Perhaps the good news is this put Obamacare on the second page.
 
how does McConnell's position compare to that he had in 2005??
which of the two faces of McConnell came first??
is it okay to damn America now for what is perceived to have happened then?
or do you believe what McConnell said about Obama ?

McConnell position is 180 degrees from what it was.... he's just like Harry Reid in that regard.

congratulations, you help show us that the 2 parties are led by hypocrites...



if you think hypocrisy is bad, why are you embracing it so passionately?
 
Gee you think it would have been a smart thing to appoint someone to be our UN Ambassador who is against the UN as a body? The genius of GW Bush is never to be overlooked....

As oppose to someone who helped cover up an attack on a US consulate?
 
McConnell position is 180 degrees from what it was.... he's just like Harry Reid in that regard.

congratulations, you help show us that the 2 parties are led by hypocrites...

****, I would be a happy hypocrite if I was in their shoes as well. I mean, why the hell not? It's not as if we have fully gotten what we wanted by being consistent.
 
Let's not get carried away here. The Constitution grants each chamber of Congress - House and Senate - to make their own rules. As such, the rules of each chamber are not "laws". They're just rules...guidelines on how business will be conducted within each respective chamber. Nothing more.

Don't like the way the rules are, vote and change them. Granted, this particular rule change was a party-line vote, but for folks to act as if Republicans have never threatened to do this themselves is just two-faced. If both sides were really serious about doing "the will of the People", this would not be an issue. But instead, they're only out to either puff up their party OR punish the other side for not getting their way.

I know the republicans threaten to do exactly what Reid did today back in 2005. But they didn't. So what better words to explain that back then than from one each Senator Obama and Senator Biden at the time.

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA (D-ILLINOIS): The American people sent us here to be their voice. They understand that those voices can at times become loud and argumentative, but they also hope that we can disagree without being disagreeable. […]

What they don't expect is for one party - be it Republican or Democrat - to change the rules in the middle of the game so that they can make all the decisions while the other party is told to sit down and keep quiet. […]

The American people want less partisanship in this town, but everyone in this chamber knows that the majority chooses to end the filibuster. If they choose to change the rules and put an end to Democratic debate, then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.

Now I understand that Republicans are getting a lot of pressure to do this from factions outside the chamber, but we need to rise above the "ends justify the means" mentality because we're here to answer to the people - all of the people - not just the ones that are wearing our particular party label. […]

If the right of free and open debate is taken away from the minority party, and the millions of Americans who asked us to be their voice, I fear that the already partisan atmosphere in Washington will be poisoned to the point where no one will be able to agree on anything. That doesn't serve anyone's best interests, and it certainly isn't what the patriots who founded this democracy had in mind. We owe the people who sent us here more than that - we owe them much more.



Speaking on the Senate floor in May of 2005, Biden said, "At its core, the filibuster is not about stopping a nominee or a bill, it's about compromise and moderation. The nuclear option extinguishes the power of independents and moderates in the Senate. That's it, they're done. Moderates are important if you need to get to 60 votes to satisfy cloture; they are much less so if you only need 50 votes. Let's set the historical record straight. Never has the Senate provided for a certainty that 51 votes could put someone on the bench or pass legislation."
When the Senate was considering President George W. Bush's nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the United States Supreme Court, Biden held out the prospect of a filibuster to block it. "If he really believes that reapportionment is a questionable decision … then clearly, clearly, you'll find a lot of people, including me, willing to do whatever they can to keep him off the court," Biden said, adding, "That would include a filibuster, if need be."
During his years in the Senate, Biden could be counted on to routinely join Democratic efforts to support filibusters of Republican programs--from the second President Bush's energy bill to the first President Bush's effort to cut the tax on capital gains in order to stimulate the U.S. economy and blunt the impact of the early-'90s recession. Now that he is vice president, and the entire Obama agenda is imperiled, he has changed his mind in an apparent deathbed conversion. It won't last.
 
It is not possible to get a vote today without the nuclear option as you say--how much more evidence do you need--I have never seen you talk in these riddles before-- as with PPACA--you now support stalemate and the GOP of NO--

With the PPACA I am part of the 61% who opposes it per the CBS News poll of 11/15 - 11/18 on rcp as you are part of the 31% who favor it. Not a problem. So, are you saying one can't be for something that one may or may not get by playing within the rules? That in order to get what you want, you must change the rules in mid game? I have always been pro filibuster, I think that stops wild swings in legislation and stops one administration and congress from undoing everything the previous administration/congress accomplished before it.
 
Do we have in the country more dishonest people than President Obama and Vice President Biden? More recently, they were fighting for the preservation of this provision. Now, they have forgotten their words and say the exact opposite. Clearly, they were not ashamed. But here I am ashamed that we have such a president.
 
this is just reid-hate-bull****

Perhaps, but he was wrong in doing what he did today. He set a precedence, right or wrong he did it. now the question is how many more times in the future will that precedence be used?
 
but the nominees were being fillibustered not because of what they said or if they were unqualified. they were being blocked because obama chose them.

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Unqualified, pushed thru.
 
If you were looking at the present, you would be looking at all of the positions going unfilled in the Obama administation due to a GOP hell-bent on nullifying everything Obama--just say it, it's about nullifying Obama, a confederate thing .

I'll not try to change you mind. My beef is not with Obama, it is with Reid.
 
I feel ya... i could choke the hell of of sharon angle and her handlers

Wasn't that just awful. We had a chance....and blew it.

Oh well. Ever onward through the fog.
 
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I'll not try to change you mind. My beef is not with Obama, it is with Reid.

There are 93 judicial openings that Obama can now fill..You only have McConnell to blame for pushing this one over the cliff..McConnell could have allowed a few here and a few there..Now he will get 93 shoved up his ass where they belong .
 
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Unqualified, pushed thru.

And 93 more to come to break the overall 390-390 tie..RepubLies will rue the day they pushed this too far, and that doesn't take into account the very lengthy times involved in approving, another stage of nullifying Obama.
 
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