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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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However, Federal laws dictate those convicted on domestic violence charges get a lifelong gun ban.
:doh
Provide the law.


18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts

18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts


Paragraph (g)(9) makes it unlawful for someone "who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence," from owning a firearm.



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:doh
Provide the law.
Gladly.
Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1] 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence.

You're not up on this stuff. Are ya, exC?
 
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2.5 miles in 29 minutes is not average walking speed. Average walking speed it 5 Km/Hr (3.1 m/hr) in the range of 4.5 Km/Hr to 5.4 (Km/Hr).

If you are doing 2.5 miles in 29 minutes then you are doing about 8 Km/Hr (5 m/hr) which is well above average walking speed.


I'm 54 years old and have a treadmill and workout at least 4 for nights a week, that workout being a 3 mile walk and it typically takes 58-63 minutes. The idea that average walking speed is 5 miles per hour is bogus.



Walking


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and at "avg walking speed", it would take less than 10 minutes to walk 1/2 mile. Trayvon took nearly triple that (even if you assume he was not moving during his time on the phone)

point being: a healthy 17 y/o should be able to walk less than 1/2 mile in well under 29 minutes. IF walking home was all he was doing.

and remember, it was dark, raining, windy and 53 degrees. hardly the type of weather for a leisurely stroll through the neighborhood. the kind of weather any normal reasonable person would want to get out of as soon as possible.
 
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Which we know is wrong by, the police report, visual comparison, and how tall the family says he was.
Or are you forgetting at what a mess-up the ME was?


Still irrelevant to the fact that a change in height of inches will change the average speed by 10th's of a mile/hr and not double or triple the speed.

If average walking speed is 3.1m/hr for someone 5'11" then someone 6'0" might be 3.2, it wouldn't be 6 m/hr or 9 m/hr

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The amount of time Martin was out isn't relevant, some though want to use it to imply that there is something wrong with someone using the time to walk home to have a private conversation with a female friend.


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normal reasonable people don't stand in the dark, wind, rain and cold to talk on the phone. again, even assuming that Trayvon was not moving at all while on the phone, he still took nearly triple the average time to cover the distance from the 7/11 to the spot where Zimmerman first saw him.
 
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Still irrelevant to the fact that a change in height of inches will change the average speed by 10th's of a mile/hr and not double or triple the speed.

If average walking speed is 3.1m/hr for someone 5'11" then someone 6'0" might be 3.2, it wouldn't be 6 m/hr or 9 m/hr

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and unless he was crawling on his hands and knees, there is no way it should have taken him 29 minutes to cover 1/2 mile........

I took my semi-annual APFT last weekend and covered 2.5 miles in 30:34. didn't break a sweat and wasn't out of breath.
 
normal reasonable people don't stand in the dark, wind, rain and cold to talk on the phone. again, even assuming that Trayvon was not moving at all while on the phone, he still took nearly triple the average time to cover the distance from the 7/11 to the spot where Zimmerman first saw him.

So?

If you have anything to show he was doing something nefarious, please provide it. As you pointed out it was rainy that night, I've often stood in the overhang of strip malls waiting for a bought of rain to pass.



I'm really no sure what you think the time that a 17 year old takes to walk back home after a trip to the store for ice tea and skittles really means.


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and unless he was crawling on his hands and knees, there is no way it should have taken him 29 minutes to cover 1/2 mile........

I took my semi-annual APFT last weekend and covered 2.5 miles in 30:34. didn't break a sweat and wasn't out of breath.


If Martin had been doing his APFT that night, he'd have probably covered that distance in a much shorter time.

The time Martin spent between 7-11 and the entry point to the Retreat At Twin Lakes is pretty much irrelevant.


I mean you might think that Martin spent time hanging out and on the phone is some kind of smoking gun, but it's really not.

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So?

If you have anything to show he was doing something nefarious, please provide it. As you pointed out it was rainy that night, I've often stood in the overhang of strip malls waiting for a bought of rain to pass.



I'm really no sure what you think the time that a 17 year old takes to walk back home after a trip to the store for ice tea and skittles really means.


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all I'm saying is that if he was meandering about or hanging out under building overhangs, such action could reasonably appear suspicious to a passerby.
 
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If Martin had been doing his APFT that night, he'd have probably covered that distance in a much shorter time.

The time Martin spent between 7-11 and the entry point to the Retreat At Twin Lakes is pretty much irrelevant.


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except for the fact that his action could have made him appear suspicious
 
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I don't think so. I think she was referring to the on-duty officer that was in the process of making an arrest that Zimmerman was interfering with and was subsequently charged with resisting an officer with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.
And you understand that those charges were reduced to a misdemeanor and then eventually dropped right? Not something that normally happens to someone who actually assaults a police officer.
You also understand that Zimmerman's actions were of those coming to the aid of a friend who was being accosted, right? Coming to the aid of a friend is a noble act.
 
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except for the fact that his action could have made him appear suspicious

How is that relevant? We've already established that zimmerman following him is irrelevant.
 
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because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus,

I can safely say that no one has ever had to begin a sentence with "Every time he is arrested..." when talking about me.
 
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I'm as bored with George Zimmerman as a person can be.




I am more bored with him than you are.

I started being bored with him as soon as this came out in the news.
 
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Still irrelevant to the fact that a change in height of inches will change the average speed by 10th's of a mile/hr and not double or triple the speed.

If average walking speed is 3.1m/hr for someone 5'11" then someone 6'0" might be 3.2, it wouldn't be 6 m/hr or 9 m/hr

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Your position is the one that is irrelevant as Trayvon could have made it home in the time.
From the point where Trayvon recognized he was being observed by Zimmerman and then tried to intimidate him by circling him, Trayvon also had more than enough time to make it home if he were actually trying to evade Zimmerman as you alleged.
But he didn't.
 
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I wanted you to actually provide the Law like this.

18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

But you didn't.

Nor would I have mentioned engagement had I not recognized that some misdemeanors can take away a person's rights.


That said. You have no idea what the final outcome will be.
I would say that he will not agree to any plea that would remove his rights.

And as his attorney has stated, he will be cleared.


And the :doh was because you stated "lifelong" without even considering expungement. :doh
 
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How is that relevant? We've already established that zimmerman following him is irrelevant.

many people still think that Zimmerman following him is relevant
 
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Zimmerman brought race into the issue when he went looking for someone based on his race .. which he confirmed to the 9/11 dispatcher.
Not even true.


I have said from the very beginning of this thread that your or anyone else's OPINION are their own. I have no intention of trying to convince anyone of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.
I would hope not, because if you could convince them, in face of all the evidence that Zimmerman isn't guilty, they are pretty stupid.


This case was steeped in race from the very moment it was revealed what happened.
Only because Trayvon supporters made it that way.


"THEY always get away with it." Zimmerman's words to the dispatcher.

How is that not dripped with racism?
Wtf?
"They", as in those perceived to be criminals is not racist in any way.
It is you who chooses to see racism where it doesn't exist.


Zimmerman attacked Martin because he was black ..
Wrong.
Trayvon came out of hiding and confronted Zimmerman first.


and it makes no difference to me that you refuse to see that glaringly obvious truth.
You are the one not seeing the glaring and obvious truth of the matter.


A. There is a plethora of truth that clearly demonstrates that Zimmerman attacked Martin
No there isn't.
If there was you could post it. But it doesn't exist, so you can't.
You are spewing make believe crap.


not even for the life of a boy who was doing nothing but walking home from the store after getting a bag of candy and a pop.
:naughty
Looking into homes is not simply walking home.
And he got popped for attacking another person.


This is why I make no attempt to change anyone's mind on this issue .. I simply state what I believe,
You can't convince others because what you believe simply isn't true and isn't in the realm of being an intelligent position to take.
 
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And you understand that those charges were reduced to a misdemeanor and then eventually dropped right? Not something that normally happens to someone who actually assaults a police officer.
You also understand that Zimmerman's actions were of those coming to the aid of a friend who was being accosted, right? Coming to the aid of a friend is a noble act.

"I identified myself as a State Police Officer and showed Zimmerman my badge and asked him to leave the area. He stated 'I don't care who you are', I again asked Zimmerman to leave the area, he stated '**** YOU'".​

Interfering with a law enforcement officer that has identified themselves, is in the performance of their duty arresting employees in a bar, and after being asked to leave told the officer to "**** YOU".



Ya, that's real noble.



http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/exhibit_list_redacted.pdf



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"I identified myself as a State Police Officer and showed Zimmerman my badge and asked him to leave the area. He stated 'I don't care who you are', I again asked Zimmerman to leave the area, he stated '**** YOU'".​

Interfering with a law enforcement officer that has identified themselves, is in the performance of their duty arresting employees in a bar, and after being asked to leave told the officer to "**** YOU".

Ya, that's real noble.
And the counter to that was?
That the Officer hadn't identified himself.


And what was the Courts final disposition on both their stated positions?
That's right, charges reduced to a misdemeanor. Go figure huh,
Which rarely occurs when the allegation is true. Go figure, huh?

Which was then dropped by the lower Court.
Yeah, use your head.
It is dishonest to represent it a something violent when it was him coming to the aid of a friend.
 
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I wanted you to actually provide the Law like this.

18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

But you didn't.

Nor would I have mentioned engagement had I not recognized that some misdemeanors can take away a person's rights.


That said. You have no idea what the final outcome will be.
I would say that he will not agree to any plea that would remove his rights.

And as his attorney has stated, he will be cleared.


And the :doh was because you stated "lifelong" without even considering expungement. :doh
Expungement takes five years of clean living...Zimmerman has three arrests in the half-year since his acquittal. And, you're surprised I didn't look at expungement. :doh
 
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And the counter to that was?
That the Officer hadn't identified himself.

"I identified myself as a State Police Officer and showed Zimmerman my badge and asked him to leave the area. He stated 'I don't care who you are', I again asked Zimmerman to leave the area, he stated '**** YOU'".​



Sorry, I have a different view of "nobility". I guess I'm old school in that telling a LEO that has identified themselves and shown me their badge and telling them "**** YOU" when asked to leave the area. I don't find that "noble".


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Zimmerman brought race into the issue when he went looking for someone based on his race .. which he confirmed to the 9/11 dispatcher.

I have said from the very beginning of this thread that your or anyone else's OPINION are their own. I have no intention of trying to convince anyone of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.

I'm speaking to MY opinion of the case and consequences .. and my OPINION is that Zimmerman is a murderer and should rot in Hell .. AND, that African-Americans should never, ever vote for a republican .. AND that African-Americans and people of conscience should use this case against republicans.

Perhaps you think that it's only African-Americans who are angry about the Zimmerman case, but you would be wrong.

Those who choose to celebrate the murder of a boy can perceive this case anyway they choose .. and so will I.

First off those that know me that I'm extremely conservative but yet I was and still am one of biggest defenders of Martin having his right to stand his ground. The fact that you're using this as excuse to paint all conservatives with wide brush is real travesty here because you're holding all conservatives accountable for action of a few.

How is that any different then blaming a race for actions of a few?

Or how is that any different then using the death of a 17 year old kid to advance a political agenda? I mean to me that is another tragedy.....to use the death of Martin for political gains. Which IMO is just as bad as the racist that people are railing against.
 
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Expungement takes five years of clean living...Zimmerman has three arrests in the half-year since his acquittal. And, you're surprised I didn't look at expungement. :doh

link to these 3 arrests?

AFAIK, he has only been arrested once. During the incident with his wife, he was detained, questioned and released. no charges filed, no arrest made. And you aren't typically arrested for speeding.
 
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"I identified myself as a State Police Officer and showed Zimmerman my badge and asked him to leave the area. He stated 'I don't care who you are', I again asked Zimmerman to leave the area, he stated '**** YOU'".​
And Zimmerman said it didn't happen that way. (like actual encounters happen that way - unbelievable)


Obviously the Judge was more inclined to Zimmerman's account and reduced the charges to a misdemeanor.


And coming to the aid of a friend is noble act, whether it was actually legal or not, and whether you like it or not.

Jut like the black kid acting coming to the aid of his mother being attacked by a cop.
The kids actions, even though wrong, were noble.
 
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