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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

I assume you are quoting this to sound cool? The point is to demonstrate...not that Trayvon could have retreated. The point is to demonstrate that Trayvon RETURNED to confront Zimmerman. Under state of Florida law Trayvon would not have been able to claim "self defense" or "stand your ground" because he LEFT the situation, and them he returned to the situation as an aggressor.


I'm sorry, been following this case closely since the beginning.

You seem to state as fact that after Martin departed Twin Trees Lane and proceeded behind the house to leave the area of Zimmerman's truck, that he "LEFT" (emphasis yours) that area and then "RETURNED" (emphasis yours).

Please provide the independent evidence (mean not based on the story told by the survivor) that would be the basis of such a claim. Is there video? Is there a witness that watched Martin arrive in the area, then depart and return?

If their is such a witness, then why did they not testify about who started the fight? My understanding that the first witness that witnessed (not counting the young kid that ran off after his dog) was "John" and when he looked/came out of his house the fight was already in progress.

So please share this evidence.


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So what you are saying is that you don't get it?
They were, and are, two different things.
Your distinction base on race is absolutely absurd and inflammatory.

Feign all the outrage you want "Excon" :shrug: .
 
You didn't watch the trial? There was evidence to back that claim up. Ok top of that. Let's discuss the more disturbing fact.

I watched every minute of the trial. There was no indendent evidence presented that showed who started the fight, the defense made a lot of supposition based on the fact that Z had some injuries, but those are not evidence of who started the fight - only that Z was losing.

You are claiming his testimony is the only one. So what is your reason for denying him testimony.

You didn't watch the trial? Zimmerman didn't testify. The last thing O'Mara wanted was Zimmerman on the stand. His police interviews were entered into the record, but he didn't testify.


Furthermore...you want him convicted of manslaughter based on WHO ELSE's testimony?

Who said I wanted him convicted of Manslaughter? What I said was Manslaughter or Negligent Homicide would have been more appropriate charges over Murder 2.

The difference between Murder 2 and Manslaughter (or Negligent Homicide) is Murder 2 required the prosecution to prove a "depraved mind" and "disregard for human life" while Manslaughter (or Negligent Homicide) are based on actions that show responsibility for action(s) leading to the death of another.

Even the police initial requested Manslaughter charges prior to all the politicians got involved. First the local DA turned it down, then the Special Prosecutor overruled that and upped the charges to Murder 2. A bad move on her part.

On what grounds?

The Zimmerman's reckless actions (as viewed by a reasonable person) were responsible for chain of events that night.


What evidence?

Zimmerman's own description of events during the non-emergency call, video police interrogations, and video reenactment.


Or is this more of the "public opinion" court?

Nope, I give a rats ass about "public opinion".



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And the police stood by his story. :shrug: - to claim they wouldn't know - after HE called them is absurd. Regardless, it doesn't answer why he should be paranoid of interactions with the police.

because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus, that has resulted in everything from death threats to being vilified by the potus. Seems like such would create a bit of stress in one's llife ...


They stood by his account of the events and made every effort to show how a man with an obvious pattern of violence and paranoia didn't start a violent altercation with a teenager who's worst mistake was smoking weed and getting into fights at school like every other teenager his age.

If you have some real issue with the court proceeding then address them
 
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because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus, that has resulted in everything from death threats to being vilified by the potus. Seems like such would create a bit of stress in one's llife ...

Wait... you mean a guy who got off on killing a black kid - and was paraded by conservatives as Joe Citizen, protecting his neighborhood... wouldn't draw attention to himself every time he puts his violent behavior on display? Yes. We know. It's the police's fault, it's the media's fault. It's never George Zimmerman's fault.

If you have some real issue with the court proceeding then address them

Oh nope, I wouldn't want certain posters to be offended by the claim that police stood by Zimmerman's story when he killed a black kid but probably won't throw him a bone now that he's threatened a white woman. I don't understand what's not factual about my statement. I just know a lot of people are offended. ;)
 
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because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus, that has resulted in everything from death threats to being vilified by the potus. Seems like such would create a bit of stress in one's llife ...

I wonder why Zim/TOT don't see the light,and quit doing things that get him arrested?:roll:
 
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I wonder why Zim/TOT don't see the light,and quit doing things that get him arrested?:roll:
because he's an idiot: the two are not mutually exclusive
 
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I'm as bored with George Zimmerman as a person can be.
 
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Feign all the outrage you want "Excon" :shrug: .
There is no feigning of outrage.
Your comment is, matter of fact, absurd and inflammatory.
It is of course why you made it.
 
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If Martin had lived and started getting involved in fighting with his girlfriends I wonder what kind of posts we would see.
 
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As for those who think Zimmerman is a menace.

He is such a menace, and the charges so egregious a violation, that the Prosecution only requested 50 Grand, but the Court set his bond at $9000 and was released.


On top of that, Shelli made another "never revealed" whopper that the prosecution tried to use to their advantage, yet only $9000.



George Zimmerman's bond set at $9,000 as prosecutor airs choking accusation


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Tuesday’s developments came hours before Zimmerman — who was arrested a day earlier on a felony assault charge for allegedly threatening his girlfriend with a gun — was released on $9,000 bond with an order to stay away from the woman and firearms.

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In requesting $50,000 bond, the prosecutor said Scheibe had told authorities about an incident a week and a half earlier -- “a choking that she did not report to the police.”

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They [defense counsel] predicted that Zimmerman would be cleared of wrongdoing in Monday’s clash. The judge found probable cause for his arrest on charges of felony aggravated assault, misdemeanor battery and misdemeanor criminal mischief.

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George Zimmerman's bond set at $9,000 as prosecutor airs choking accusation - U.S. News






The new allegation is not reflected in the preliminary charges. But Judge Fred Schott cited the choking accusation when he put the bail at $9,000, saying it prompted him to set it higher than the $4,900 requested by the defense.

George Zimmerman posts $9,000 bail in domestic violence case - CNN.com
 
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If Martin had lived and started getting involved in fighting with his girlfriends I wonder what kind of posts we would see.

So since other people might engage in idiotic behavior you feel that it's necessary for you to do, as well?
 
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So since other people might engage in idiotic behavior you feel that it's necessary for you to do, as well?

Yes, that was an idiotic question of mine as we well damn know the responses. Thank you for making that confirmation.
 
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I don't know why he didn't go ahead and shoot her. Pregnant women are scary.

Must be a Fetal Attraction.
 
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There is no feigning of outrage.
Your comment is, matter of fact, absurd and inflammatory.
It is of course why you made it.

Sorry, your opinion doesn't make it so. :shrug:
 
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Yes, that was an idiotic question of mine as we well damn know the responses. Thank you for making that confirmation.


that you feel entitled to act like an idiot because others would? I'm not really seeing the trump card there, mate
 
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His victim is alive this time. No need for a video.

"She said..." You proved nothing! :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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It's always fun reading a white guy pretending to be an angry black man. :lamo
 
BTW, on the Zimmerman topic, what happened to Sharon?
 
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And.....the media gets its gift wrapped excuse to avoid Obamacare today.

This happens all day every day. Why so much continued national attention for this one dude in Florida?

Is Zimmerman the new Michael Jackson?
 
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400 posts on this? I don't know what's more pathetic: talking about Kim Kardashian or talking about George Zimmerman again.
 
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It's probably the fact that you needlessly brought race into the mix earlier

:lamo You must be joking.

First, race is and always will be a critical part of this issue .. that doesn't come from me.

Secondly, the backlash/consequences of Zimmerman and all that he stands for is what I think you object to .. but I couldn't care less about your objection to perspective not your own.
 
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:lamo You must be joking.

First, race is and always will be a critical part of this issue .. that doesn't come from me.

Secondly, the backlash/consequences of Zimmerman and all that he stands for is what I think you object to .. but I couldn't care less about your objection to perspective not your own.

Why is the fact that they were both humans such a big deal? How is race a big part? It was a typical human on human situation.
 
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:lamo You must be joking.

First, race is and always will be a critical part of this issue .. that doesn't come from me.

Actually race seems to be one of those issues people lobbed onto the matter, you further indulging that, especially in the above context, is definitely a choice.

Secondly, the backlash/consequences of Zimmerman and all that he stands for is what I think you object to .. I couldn't care less about your objection to perspective not your own.

Not sure how any of that relates to what I wrote, but ok ...
 
Why would a human attack another human just because he was human?
 
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