George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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As would be expected, this topic is quite inflammatory. I would remind you all to stick to the topic, which is not each other and stop the flame/baiting as well.

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JoeTrumps said:

yes, I guess we can all now agree that Martin picked the wrong guy to jump on that night. I guess the lesson learned is that people are crazy, so best not to start a physical altercation with a stranger(for WHATEVER REASON).......because well, they might be crazy enough to shoot and kill you. EVEN if you feel the guy is "racially profiling" you. Just move on. No need to lose your life over that.

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Why did he jump him?

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opendebate said:

Why did he jump him?

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Because he thought he was being followed. Is that enough to jump someone? that is open to debate

what's not open to debate is that a stranger might be a crazy person, and if you are the aggressor in a physical confrontation with a stranger(for whatever reason), you may lose your life AND the person you attacked might avoid jail. That's just life. Fairness is no factor here.

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calamity said:

It goes a long way in showing Zimmerman probably wasn't as innocent as the gun rights people argued he was. The boy likes to wave a gun in people's face. In light of recent events, the chances of Trevon Jumping the Doosh while he innocently walked back to his truck just dropped significantly.

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It's as I said after the trial, Zimmerman may have been found not guilty, but the verdict had more to do with the lack of evidence to support the crime (not to mention the lack of witnesses, terrible prosecution tactics, and very naive and self-centered witness for the prosecution). There were just too many blanks that didn't get filled to come to a guilty verdict. The jury had to let him go.

Personally, I'm not looking for Zimmerman to go to jail as some kind of vandetta for him allegedly getting away with murder. I stand by my previous position that he had his day in court and was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. I just keep asking myself, "Is this guy really a victim? Does he really have it that bad with the ladies? Is he really that stupid to keep getting himself in trouble or placing himself in this situations where he knows that even the slightest violation of the law will eventually land on national news where his name is concerned? Or is he crazy like a fox?

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j-mac said:

Different situation, or don't you get that?

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Ah, so what you're saying is that the police who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he's threatened a white woman? You're right. It is different now.

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Hatuey said:

Ah, so what you're saying is that the police who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he's threatened a white woman? You're right. It is different now.

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So what you are saying is that you don't get it?
They were, and are, two different things.
Your distinction base on race is absolutely absurd and inflammatory.

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WorldWatcher said:

You scenario doesn't account for Martin being on the phone with Rachel during the event. Which phone records show he was. The idea that someone is going to wait in ambush for someone while holding a voice conversation over the phone is a little hard to believe.

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I never said anything about waiting in ambush. but the timeline clearly shows he either stopped and waited or doubled back. otherwise he would have been home before zimmerman ever saw him again

An alternate scenario is that after attempting to evade the weird dude in the pickup truck that was following him around the complex (once by walking away from the clubhouse and the second by running away from the vehicle), Martin ran behind the buildings and having broken visual contact thought that was the end of it. So while on the phone with his female friend he's telling her what was going on. Zimmerman having exited the vehicle began his search and found Martin in the rear of the building. Martin attempts to leave again and drops his phone as Zimmerman grabs him and saying he's not going anywhere. Martin surprises Zimmerman buy fighting back and Martin gets a good shot into Zimmerman's face.

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except for the fact that the friend on the phone never said anything about zimmerman saying "you're not going anywhere".

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Hatuey said:

Why? They defended him when he killed someone. Why wouldn't they defend him now?

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ugh, he was dragged through the national media and turned into public enemy number one ...

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Dr. Chuckles said:

ugh, he was dragged through the national media and turned into public enemy number one ...

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The police did that?

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BlackAsCoal said:

My hatred towards white folks :lamo

You know that about me huh .. or is it the 'black' that's confusing you? :0)

This is going to be fun.

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It's probably the fact that you needlessly brought race into the mix earlier

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sangha said:

The police did that?

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No, it resulted from his interactions with the police. But that much is rather obvious, I am sure

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Dr. Chuckles said:

It's probably the fact that you needlessly brought race into the mix earlier

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I really don't think it was BAC who made the Zimmerman case a racial issue. IIRC, there were people on both sides of the issue who were more than happy to bring race into the mix. He merely pointed out that some of the people who took Zim's side did so for racial reasons.

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Dr. Chuckles said:

No, it resulted from his interactions with the police. But that much is rather obvious, I am sure

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And barricading himself in his girlfriends house would prevent that from happening again....how?

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sangha said:

I really don't think it was BAC who made the Zimmerman case a racial issue. IIRC, there were people on both sides of the issue who were more than happy to bring race into the mix. He merely pointed out that some of the people who took Zim's side did so for racial reasons.

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No, he clearly brought race into this discussion. It's not my fault you are too lazy to follow a simple discussion

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sangha said:

And barricading himself in his girlfriends house would prevent that from happening again....how?

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I didn't say it would. In fact, I mentioned the guy being an idiot on multiple occasions. So, again, I am baffled on why you think justified paranoia would translate into adept handling of the situation

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George "DatNiggyTb" Zimmerman is just keepin' it real. Nothing to see here.

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So stunning to see that someone violent would be a habitual criminal. So much for self defense. Starting to remind me of OJ

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Dr. Chuckles said:

No, he clearly brought race into this discussion. It's not my fault you are too lazy to follow a simple discussion

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No, race has been a part of the discussion since the case became publicized. See post #366 for an example

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OscarB63 said:

I never said anything about waiting in ambush. but the timeline clearly shows he either stopped and waited or doubled back. otherwise he would have been home before zimmerman ever saw him again

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And the revelance is what? Martin had no requirement either morally or under Florida law to retreat and in fact had already done so twice (one walking away from the clubhouse area when Z following in his truck and the second time fleeing on foot and Zimmerman exited the vehicle to follow on foot.)

OscarB63 said:

except for the fact that the friend on the phone never said anything about zimmerman saying "you're not going anywhere".

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You do know that the phone call ended at the very beginning of their encounter right?


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sangha said:

The police did that?

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Democrat politicians did.

WorldWatcher said:

Irrelevant. Under Florida law Martin had no requirement to retreat.

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I assume you are quoting this to sound cool? The point is to demonstrate...not that Trayvon could have retreated. The point is to demonstrate that Trayvon RETURNED to confront Zimmerman. Under state of Florida law Trayvon would not have been able to claim "self defense" or "stand your ground" because he LEFT the situation, and them he returned to the situation as an aggressor. A similar case is going on in Jacksonville right now...over a woman leaving the scene of a dispute and returning to fire a warning shot. She will be convicted.

Martin attempted to evade twice, walking away from the clubhouse and then running away from the vehicle and in both cases Zimmerman pursued.

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And YET if his purpose was to get away...why would he turn around within 100 yards of his home? Are you just going to gloss over the part of the trial that showed that Trayvon was attempting to confront Zimmerman as well? Or does that not fit the narrative of evil white man killing young black boy?

There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.

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You didn't watch the trial? There was evidence to back that claim up. Ok top of that. Let's discuss the more disturbing fact.

You are claiming his testimony is the only one. So what is your reason for denying him testimony. Furthermore...you want him convicted of manslaughter based on WHO ELSE's testimony? On what grounds? What evidence? Or is this more of the "public opinion" court?

There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.

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Why are we rejecting his testimony? On what grounds?

Again, where is the independent source for any of that prior to "John" looking out the back? There is none, that is all based on Zimmerman's story.

Zimmerman story (read his statement and watch the interrogation video's again) was that he went behind the darkened house to find a street sign - well there are no street signs behind houses. There were not any street signs on the other side of the pass through either. The only street signs were to that (a) west, and (b) south of where Zimmerman exited his truck. He traveled east. Oh wait, house number that was it, he was looking for a house number. Sorry no house numbers behind houses either, as a matter of fact he walked by the front of houses with house numbers posted to proceed to the rear.

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A story told over a length of time is subject to change. BUT it really doesn't matter does it? Who had left the scene and returned? It wasn't Zimmerman. I won't argue that what he did was incredibly stupid. That doesn't make him a murderer. That doesn't make him a criminal. It just makes him stupid.

Don't get me wrong, the jury made the correct call. The prosecution over charged the event (Murder 2 over Manslaughter) and presented a very, VERY weak case in court. Not finding Zimmerman guilty was the correct verdict. However, just because someone believes it was the correct verdict does not mean that they have to believe Zimmerman's story(ies). An individual shown to be willing to lie to the court.

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Seriously. Make a case for manslaughter. Do it. Please. And what lies are we discussing? Because lying in court is perjury and I don't recall any conviction on that either?

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WorldWatcher said:

And the revelance is what? Martin had no requirement either morally or under Florida law to retreat and in fact had already done so twice (one walking away from the clubhouse area when Z following in his truck and the second time fleeing on foot and Zimmerman exited the vehicle to follow on foot.)>

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The issue is not about "duty to retreat." The issue is that Trayvon could not claim self defense. He showed intent by retuning to the scene. He had the opportunity to leave...and turned around instead. This would not have allowed him to claim self defense...under current Florida law. His "claim" to self defense would have to prove that he was not the aggressor.

That is NOT what any of the evidence suggests. It suggests...primarily based on the cell phone data...that he decided to return to confront Zimmerman....an act of aggression as he had already removed himself from the situation.

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Goddamnit not this again. Can we reactivate the Zimmerman subforum so I don't have to deal with this same crap again?

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stonewall50 said:

The issue is not about "duty to retreat." The issue is that Trayvon could not claim self defense.

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LOL Wut!

Trayvon was dead. That's why he couldn't claim self-defense

Besides he wasn't on trial

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Dr. Chuckles said:

ugh, he was dragged through the national media and turned into public enemy number one ...

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And the police stood by his story. :shrug: - to claim they wouldn't know - after HE called them is absurd. Regardless, it doesn't answer why he should be paranoid of interactions with the police. They stood by his account of the events and made every effort to show how a man with an obvious pattern of violence and paranoia didn't start a violent altercation with a teenager who's worst mistake was smoking weed and getting into fights at school like every other teenager his age.