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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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If I viewed it as a serious threat and I was unarmed and close to home, I would have fled home. I have been in similar scenarios before.

trayvon was less than 100m from home. he was out of zimmerman's sight for nearly 4 minutes. it was dark. he could have almost crawled home on his hands and knees in that time. he chose to stop and confront Zimmerman on a darkened sidewalk.
 
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I have the right to drive into the middle of the project, get out of my car and start yelling "nigger". If i get my ass beat or get shot, then am I completely blameless?
yes, you are. You don't have the right to attack people if you don't like what they say. You have a right to say nigger all you want. Nobody has a right to beat your ass for it.
And I'm part black.

trayvon had a right to be there and be walking around. zimmerman had a right to be there and broke no laws by following him. trayvon did not have a right to punch zimmerman in the face or climb on top of him after he'd knocked him to the ground.
In all fairness, we don't know who threw the first punch. But there is reasonable doubt. You never convict when there is reasonable doubt
 
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I have the right to drive into the middle of the project, get out of my car and start yelling "nigger". If i get my ass beat or get shot, then am I completely blameless?

trayvon had a right to be there and be walking around. zimmerman had a right to be there and broke no laws by following him. trayvon did not have a right to punch zimmerman in the face or climb on top of him after he'd knocked him to the ground.

And this all seems right to you? This is why the laws are bs. Its an exploitation of the law, one that so many on the right seem to support, even enjoy.
 
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yes, you are. You don't have the right to attack people if you don't like what they say. You have a right to say nigger all you want. Nobody has a right to beat your ass for it.
And I'm part black.


In all fairness, we don't know who threw the first punch. But there is reasonable doubt. You never convict when there is reasonable doubt

we know that Zimmerman had physical injuries consistant with being punched. Trayvon did not. based on the evidence, Zimmerman never laid a hand on Trayvon.
 
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following someone is not a crime....... attacking someone for following you is.

I'm sure if somebody followed your wife around while armed you'd be cool with it, right?
 
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And this all seems right to you? This is why the laws are bs. Its an exploitation of the law, one that so many on the right seem to support, even enjoy.

I never said it seemed "right". It was a tragic comedy of errors on the part of both Zimmerman and Martin.
 
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true, but you can't claim that he was afraid and in fear for his life if he was walking up and down the street instead of getting to safety.

point being. if Trayvon was afraid, he would/should have gone home. he did not. he chose to stop and wait in the dark for Zimmerman.
In order to, as could be argued, teach that "creepy ass cracker" a lesson
for daring to follow him.




If the reports that we see in the news about Mr Zimmermans activities since the trial are anywhere close to accurate Mr Z still hasn't learned that violence is not the only answer.

I noticed that the title of this thread isn't "George Zimmerman arrested...." , It's "George Zimmerman arrested again ......"




The man obviously has a problem.
 
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we know that Zimmerman had physical injuries consistant with being punched. Trayvon did not. based on the evidence, Zimmerman never laid a hand on Trayvon.

Well, that's where reasonable doubt comes in. I agree with the ruling.

Though, zimmerman could have pushed trayvon. Or shoved him. At that moment, trayvon had the right to kick his ass and zim would be at fault. Though we don't know any of that.
 
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I'm sure if somebody followed your wife around while armed you'd be cool with it, right?

I'm sure my wife wouldn't be wandering around in the dark, in the rain, in a strange neighborhood...even though she has the right to do so
 
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I'm sure my wife wouldn't be wandering around in the dark, in the rain, in a strange neighborhood...even though she has the right to do so

Yeah cuz walking down the road is a provocative act that only crazy people do, right? I mean.. who the **** in their right mind walks down the road? Geez.. some people are just NUTS.
 
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Well, that's where reasonable doubt comes in. I agree with the ruling.

Though, zimmerman could have pushed trayvon. Or shoved him. At that moment, trayvon had the right to kick his ass and zim would be at fault. Though we don't know any of that.

which leads to a chain reaction. if zimmerman pushed Martin, then martin had the right to push him back....not knock him down and pound his head against the ground.
 
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Yeah cuz walking down the road is a provocative act that only crazy people do, right? I mean.. who the **** in their right mind walks down the road? Geez.. some people are just NUTS.

walking around in the rain and dark in a neighborhood where you are a stranger for 45 minutes is enough to cause reasonable suspicion.
 
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I said there was no video, you said I was wrong. Since I was wrong there must be a video, I simply asked for you to provide a link.

What? No video. That's what I said.
:doh:doh
I see you also have trouble following.

I replied to your no evidence of by saying the following.
Which is clear by the last sentence.

Wrong!
His injuries were consistent with his claim of an attack. That is evidence of.

And then you replied with more video bs.
And I replied by pointing out by asking if I said anything about a video, which I hadn't.
I replied to you claim of no evidence of.


Zimmerman didn't cry out for help until AFTER the fight started. That is not indicative of who started the fight, only that Zimmerman was losing.
Oy vey! One does not call out for help in a mutual confrontation.
There was no fight. It was an attack.
We are talking a very limited amount of time here.
There was no mutual confrontation but an attack and an immediate calling for help.


Zimmerman has shown a willingness to lie to the court.
Really? Where?
You shouldn't even go there because you are wrong.


Ahhh - yes it is. What is unknown is who started the fight.
Ah no it wasn't. We have evidence that it was by the very person being attacked.
The evidence in toto does not support that it was a fight but an attack.
Your beliefs on this are convoluted.



The prosecution failed to prove a case .
Right. Which isn't because there was evidence that could be found against Zimmerman, it was because the evidence pointed to his claim being accurate and believable.


Very informed.
You have yet to display such knowledge.


No it means that the witness didn't see it.

In addition brandishing a weapon does not mean it has to be removed from the holster. You know that right?
More silliness I see.
The witness not seeing it and Trayvon not saying anything about a gun to anybody, especially to a third party, who told him to stop, supports Zimmerman's account of when the gun came out.


Faulty logic. The phone call ended immediately after contact. It's illogical to assume that Martin was going to continue to describe to Rachel what was happening after he'd dropped the phone and the call ended.
Yes your logic is faulty.
He made no exclamation.
Rachel heard a little "get off" passed the point where Trayvon attack Zimmerman. Had Trayvon seen the gun and was reacting to it, he more than likely would have made a verbal exclamation about the gun, which Rachel would have heard, yet did not. The gun wasn't out or shown.


Again you incorrectly assume that threatening with a gun requires the removal of the gun from the holster. It doesn't.
:dohWrong. The gun wasn't out and he hadn't seen it either or he would have said something. Especially to someone who could help like John.
Instead he ignored John call to stop, which is what an attacker would do.

He attacked Zimmerman and lost his life for it.
 
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which leads to a chain reaction. if zimmerman pushed Martin, then martin had the right to push him back....not knock him down and pound his head against the ground.

Actually under Florida law, if Zimmerman had pushed Martin it would have been battery and, yes Martin could have beat beat him as long as he Martin perceived Zimmerman as a continued threat. He would not be required to separate and give Zimmerman a second chance to attack. That's kind of what Stand Your Ground is about, not having to retreat.


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which leads to a chain reaction. if zimmerman pushed Martin, then martin had the right to push him back....not knock him down and pound his head against the ground.

I disagree. There are variances in discrepancies, so every situation is different. But if zim pushed Martin, i would support matrons right to stomp his ass out. But if zim didn't throw the first blow, then Martin got what he deserved.
 
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walking around in the rain and dark in a neighborhood where you are a stranger for 45 minutes is enough to cause reasonable suspicion.

I don't think so. But it still isn't illegal to follow someone for that reason.
 
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Actually under Florida law, if Zimmerman had pushed Martin it would have been battery and, yes Martin could have beat beat him as long as he Martin perceived Zimmerman as a continued threat. He would not be required to separate and give Zimmerman a second chance to attack. That's kind of what Stand Your Ground is about, not having to retreat.


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and even if that had been the case, Zimmerman would still have been covered under the FL statutes for self-defense and use of force by an aggressor.

and FWIW. if someone is flat on their back, bleeding from the face and back of the head...how much of a perceived threat can they be....
 
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I don't think so. But it still isn't illegal to follow someone for that reason.

so if you saw a stranger walking around your neighborhood on a dark rainy night, you wouldn't be suspicious?
 
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and even if that had been the case, Zimmerman would still have been covered under the FL statutes for self-defense and use of force by an aggressor.
Yeah, but it would be all zims fault. Once you start a fight, you are the aggressor.

and FWIW. if someone is flat on their back, bleeding from the face and back of the head...how much of a perceived threat can they be....
agreed.
 
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No, I think Zimmerman is responsible for Martin's death - that does not equate to Murder. The Jury says that he wasn't quilty of the Murder charge and I accept that.


I think the prosecution presented a very weak case and that the Murder charge was over charged from the get-go. IMHO, I think Murder 2 was charged for politics and in the hopes of scaring him into pleading guilty to a lesser charge in the plea deal. Since Zimmerman created the situation and Martin had tried to evade Zimmerman at least twice (from Zimmerman's account) and it was Zimmerman that continued the pursuit first in a vehicle and then on foot - I think negligent homicide/voluntary manslaughter (or Florida's equivalent) would have been a better and believable charge.



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All is well in your account...accept Trayvon had time to get home. He turned around to "confront" Zimmerman with his fists. He attacked Zimmerman. The party responsible for the crime was Trayvon.

Zimmerman broke no laws. He tried to give police a better description and location and was going back to his truck. Remember his neighborhood had already been victimized twice. He is only guilty of a lesser charge in public opinion where evidence is irrelevant.
 
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I disagree. There are variances in discrepancies, so every situation is different. But if zim pushed Martin, i would support matrons right to stomp his ass out. But if zim didn't throw the first blow, then Martin got what he deserved.

I agree up to a point. If zimmerman threw the first punch, then Martin had the right to punch him, but once Zimmerman was flat out on the ground, that should have been the end of it, unless Zimmerman got back up. IMHO, Martin crossed the line when he got on top of Zimmerman and continued to pound away on a virtually helpless person. At that point, Zimmerman had every right to fear that Martin would not stop beating him until he was dead or unconscious.
 
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and even if that had been the case, Zimmerman would still have been covered under the FL statutes for self-defense and use of force by an aggressor.

Only under very specific conditions such that he had retreated and indicated a willingness to end the fist fight and the person that he'd attacked reengaged..

and FWIW. if someone is flat on their back, bleeding from the face and back of the head...how much of a perceived threat can they be....

Quite a bit. I've seen a number of real-life fights before and just because you have a boo-boo on your face and a small cut on the back of the head does not mean you are out.


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I agree up to a point. If zimmerman threw the first punch, then Martin had the right to punch him, but once Zimmerman was flat out on the ground, that should have been the end of it, unless Zimmerman got back up. IMHO, Martin crossed the line when he got on top of Zimmerman and continued to pound away on a virtually helpless person.
I agree there.
At that point, Zimmerman had every right to fear that Martin would not stop beating him until he was dead or unconscious.
agreed, but still, it would be zimmermans fault in the first place. Though, it would be ruthless and not respectable on martins part.
 
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Yeah, but it would be all zims fault. Once you start a fight, you are the aggressor.

FL 776.041 para 2a
even if you are the aggressor you are legally authorized to use force, even deadly force if/when:

Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

It was Zimmerman's defense that he was in such reasonable fear. and by being flat on his back with Martin on top of him, there was no reasonable means to escape.
 
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