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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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Not enough to convict him appearelntly. But in the end no one argues the point he killed an unarmed kid. Perhaps he could have found something else to do that day.
Dr. Chuckles said:
what evidence do you have that he was guilty in the TM case? It seemed that he was pretty clearly exonerated based on what the forensics evidence told us, not character appeals.
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mak2 said:
If I were on the jury I would agree, but this is an internet discussion forum, the evidence level is a bit differnet.
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Yes it is different which makes it even more evident we don't have the "whole" picture. People are free to their opinions, but that's really all we have right now. Its not something I would personally make a decision of guilt or innosence on right now.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I thought he came off as some wan-a-be cop in the TM incident. So this hardly surprises me. I just don't see them having much bearing on each other. being that the investigation in the TM case seemed pretty thorough. If it was a more questionable case, based on more character based appeals, I would likely feel different
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There is indeed quite a bit of difference here. Zimmerman could have been 100% in the right in the TM case and wrong in the case with his ex-wife and now his girlfriend. I would base it more on the ex-wife incident than the TM case IMO.
 
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mak2 said:
Not enough to convict him appearelntly. But in the end no one argues the point he killed an unarmed kid.
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Totally irrelevant and the fact that you are so stuck on it tells me that you really don't give a fig about looking at the case objectively

Perhaps he could have found something else to do that day.
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perhaps, but being a nosy dip**** isn't illegal, and the same could be said about TM, who seemed little more than a would-be-thug
 
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year2late said:
I considered the following the kid walking alone at night - first by car, then on foot....as how Trayvon was picked on.

The last time someone did that to me, I was mugged.
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You seem to be ignoring facts that makes it not picking on anybody.
Trayvon was seen looking into homes. That is suspicious. And suspicion is reason enough to follow.
 
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My problem with this case is that Z's defense rests on the woman being crazy. A person who would break a glass table and then make a 911 call faking that he is pointing a gun at her. That's totally insane. I'd feel bad for any guy whose girlfriend is a flat-out bonkers psycho-sociopath. But what are the odds of that. And why did he barricade himself inside the house; that makes him look like the crazy person. We'll see if she shows any signs. Considering how opposite the stories are, someone's crazy.
 
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disneydude said:
This guy is a menace to society.
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That hasn't been shown to be true in any sense of the word.
 
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Excon said:
Then you do not understand the terms you are using.
No one has held him out to be a poster boy.
So that can't be accurate.
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And sadly that is where politics has come to today...We must label anything with a R v. L paradigm to satisfy the demonetization that goes on regularly...It's BS.
 
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mak2 said:
But in the end no one argues the point he killed an unarmed kid.
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:doh
An unarmed kid who sucker punched him knocking him down, jumping on-top of him and began slamming his head into the ground. Yeah that kind of unarmed. D'oh! :doh

Zimmerman's response to such was justified.
 
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Excon said:
That hasn't been shown to be true in any sense of the word.
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Yes, when you start to tally up domestic violence charges you are a menance and an asswipe. I think you can look it up in the dictionary.
 
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j-mac said:
And sadly that is where politics has come to today...We must label anything with a R v. L paradigm to satisfy the demonetization that goes on regularly...It's BS.
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And the ones here who could not come to terms with the actual evidence in the original case are the ones who are now jumping the gun over an accusation.

I am sure they don't even see it.

If the evidence shows he is guilty fine, but folks really should stop jumping the gun just because they don't like the guy.
And that is what it boils down to. Nothing more than their dislike.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Yes, when you start to tally up domestic violence charges you are a menance and an asswipe. I think you can look it up in the dictionary.
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Tally up? Wtf are you taking about?
 
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ecofarm said:
And why did he barricade himself inside the house; that makes him look like the crazy person. We'll see if she shows any signs. Considering how opposite the stories are, someone's crazy.
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as much as I always thought the guy was a total dip****, I find it hard to fault him for being adverse to interacting with the police at this point. I mean, the guy was pretty much made public enemy number one by the media, and guilty or not, can't imagine anyone would want to deal with that **** again.
 
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Excon said:
And the ones here who could not come to terms with the actual evidence in the original case are the ones who are now jumping the gun over an accusation.

I am sure they don't even see it.

If the evidence shows he is guilty fine, but folks really should stop jumping the gun just because they don't like the guy.
And that is what it boils down to. Nothing more than their dislike.
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I believe, by all evidence then, he was justified in shooting Martin. My problem with this case is not the accusation but his side of the story, his 911 call and claims.

On a separate 911 call, a man calls to report that his girlfriend was "for lack of a better term, going crazy on me" and throwing his things out. The caller says the woman is outside with police.

When asked why he is calling, the man says, "I just want everyone to know the truth."
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George Zimmerman charged with aggravated assault at girlfriend's home - CNN.com


Calling 911 to tell everyone the truth?

And this:

He says he never pulled a firearm and that it is in a bag, locked. He claims she was the one who broke the table. When deputies arrived at the house, Scheibe gave them a key. When they pushed open the door -- which was blocked by several small pieces of furniture -- they found Zimmerman, who was sitting and unarmed, Lemma said. He was passive and cooperative, Lemma said.
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Same source as above.
 
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Phil_Osophy said:
What the **** does George zimmerman have to do with republicans?
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Not sure how you define or categorize Zimmerman and the implications and consequences of 'stand your ground laws' .. but one way I define them is as republican .. who make up the vast majority of those who celebrate Zimmerman and the laws. Lets not attempt the PC meme .. republicans don't like/hate black people .. which is sure as hell their right to do. :0) But who they hate is not my problem.

Just so you know, I've never voted for Obama, not a democrat, don't believe in lesser evil .. but Zimmerman and stand your ground represent an evil that will not be ignored. As I said, door slammed shut, nail in the coffin.

Hey, maybe all the data is wrong and republicans can win a national election in 2016 with just white people .. but they sure as hell couldn't do it in 2008, couldn't do it in 2012 .. and the evolving population is only going to get worse for your side.

Maybe the data is wrong and the republican base isn't really shrinking. :0)

What does Zimmerman have to do with republicans .. politically, everything.
 
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ecofarm said:
I believe, by all evidence then, he was justified in shooting Martin.
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Which means you are not one of the ones I mentioned.

ecofarm said:
IMy problem with this case is not the accusation but his side of the story, his 911 call and claims.
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And? So you have questions. That is great. It is not a reason (not saying you are) for folks to automatically assume the allegation is true.
 
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He killed a kid.
Dr. Chuckles said:
Totally irrelevant and the fact that you are so stuck on it tells me that you really don't give a fig about looking at the case objectively



perhaps, but being a nosy dip**** isn't illegal, and the same could be said about TM, who seemed little more than a would-be-thug
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mak2 said:
He killed a kid.
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You forgot to include "who had attacked him, in self defense".
 
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Again you are blindly defending him. I have not seen you defend any other domestic violence suspects on this fourm. What do you call that?
Excon said:
Then you do not understand the terms you are using.
No one has held him out to be a poster boy.
So that can't be accurate.
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BlackAsCoal said:
Not sure how you define or categorize Zimmerman and the implications and consequences of 'stand your ground laws' .. but one way I define them is as republican .. who make up the vast majority of those who celebrate Zimmerman and the laws. Lets not attempt the PC meme .. republicans don't like/hate black people .. which is sure as hell their right to do. :0) But who they hate is not my problem.

Just so you know, I've never voted for Obama, not a democrat, don't believe in lesser evil .. but Zimmerman and stand your ground represent an evil that will not be ignored. As I said, door slammed shut, nail in the coffin.

Hey, maybe all the data is wrong and republicans can win a national election in 2016 with just white people .. but they sure as hell couldn't do it in 2008, couldn't do it in 2012 .. and the evolving population is only going to get worse for your side.

Maybe the data is wrong and the republican base isn't really shrinking. :0)

What does Zimmerman have to do with republicans .. politically, everything.
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Not one republican endorsed zimmerman.

Stand your ground only means no duty to retreat. You still have to act within the law for self defense. It doesn't mean you can just go around killing people. So how is it evil?
 
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mak2 said:
Again you are blindly defending him.
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Wrong. You are the one blindly condemning him even though everybody knows he acted in self defense. And you're leaving out important details when doing so. That is dishonest.


mak2 said:
I have not seen you defend any other domestic violence suspects on this fourm. What do you call that?
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WTF?
Just what do you think one case has to do with another?
 
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Lets see, what they have in common...um, Zimmerman.

He killed a kid. At some point that day he could have done something different to aviod that. There was not enough evidence to convict him...great. Those are the facts. Nuthin dishonest about that.
Excon said:
Wrong. You are the one blindly condemning him even though everybody knows he acted in self defense. And you're leaving out important details when doing so. That is dishonest.


WTF?
Just what do you think one case has to do with another?
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Phil_Osophy said:
Not one republican endorsed zimmerman.

Stand your ground only means no duty to retreat. You still have to act within the law for self defense. It doesn't mean you can just go around killing people. So how is it evil?
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I'm betting that just about everybody on this board .. which I'm new to .. who supports George Zimmerman and stand your ground laws, are republican/teabagger/conservative/right winger/just hates black people. Most all fall somewhere in that mix.

I have no illusion that I possess the power to change anyone's mind about anything .. thus, how you interpret stand your ground is purely up to you .. interpret them anyway you choose. But for me, they represent an evil reminiscent of America's ****-stained racist past. I equate the murder of Trayvon Martin to that of Emmitt Till .. reinforced the further murder of an innocent woman stranded by car problems.

As with most laws, it's less about the law itself, than it is about the application of the law.

Nail in coffin forever.
 
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