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Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges[W:287]

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Verax said:
Well... you're going on about defending your family from danger... from a teenage girl knocking on your door? ... Don't you think that sounds kind of funny?
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No i did not specifically refer to her, but SD in general, since you were making nasty comments about it.

You need to read more thoroughly.
 
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Dezaad said:
I think ttwtt may have a bit of a point, however. If she was that inebriated, then she may have seemed threatening. I think I could imagine that scene.
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Agreed, but we were not there, so we are left to speculation.

I appreciate your open-minded attitude.
 
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SMTA said:
Not at my fingertips - it was in one of the articles that I read yesterday.

I believe that it had indicated trace amounts - the alcohol level was somewhere around 0.23 IIRC.

ETA - Found it:
Homeowner charged with second-degree murder in killing of Renisha McBride | MLive.com
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Trace amounts of marijuana? There will be trace amounts when it is no longer having any effect. I am afraid I will have to dismiss the notion that marijuana was a factor, based on this evidence. We know what the intoxicants were, and we know that the one affecting her was quite a bit of alcohol.
 
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SMTA said:
No i did not specifically refer to her, but SD in general, since you were making nasty comments about it.

You need to read more thoroughly.
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Oh how silly of me to think you were talking about the thread you're posting in. You were merely on your soapbox about self defense rights, in a thread about some idiot shooting someone.
 
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As irrational as some drunks behave, I have real trouble picturing this drunk woman as a threat, especially separated by the door. I can picture mouthy, staggering, stupid, slurring, and all the other attributes of a serious bender, but she's still outside and you are inside. Call the cops and let them shoot her. Lots of that goin' 'round.
 
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SMTA said:
Agreed, but we were not there, so we are left to speculation.

I appreciate your open-minded attitude.
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Yes, we can speculate, but it would be nice if people would be very clear that they are doing this when they do. I am trying to be open minded for sure. I am trying to take it all in, facts and perspectives.
 
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Dezaad said:
Trace amounts of marijuana? There will be trace amounts when it is no longer having any effect. I am afraid I will have to dismiss the notion that marijuana was a factor, based on this evidence. We know what the intoxicants were, and we know that the one affecting her was quite a bit of alcohol.
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I completely agree - I was reiterating what I had read.

That much alcohol is the major issue.
 
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DaveFagan said:
As irrational as some drunks behave, I have real trouble picturing this drunk woman as a threat, especially separated by the door. I can picture mouthy, staggering, stupid, slurring, and all the other attributes of a serious bender, but she's still outside and you are inside. Call the cops and let them shoot her. Lots of that goin' 'round.
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At first blush, this seems reasonable. However, not all drunks are as non-threatening as you portray. I have seen the kind you describe and other ones that are more... strange behaving.
 
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Verax said:
Oh how silly of me to think you were talking about the thread you're posting in. You were merely on your soapbox about self defense rights, in a thread about some idiot shooting someone.
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Yes, how silly of you to not recognize that SD rights are exactly what we are discussing here.

Par for the course from close minded people who refuse to accept common sense and rational discussion.

Your choice, not mine.
 
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SMTA said:
I completely agree - I was reiterating what I had read.

That much alcohol is the major issue.
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It is an awful lot. She could have been behaving any number of ways, and the ways she may have been behaving could have changed drastically over short periods of time, I should think. I have seen it myself.
 
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MaggieD said:
Lordy, Excon. Please show me one picture from the vast world-wide web of a house that has a screen door, then a storm door, then an interior door. Give it up. The "screen door" is the "storm door."
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He thinks there's three doors!! :lamo

MaggieD said:
What the hell are you talking about?
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He's seeing a reflection!! :lamo
 
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Dezaad said:
It is an awful lot. She could have been behaving any number of ways, and the ways she may have been behaving could have changed drastically over short periods of time, I should think. I have seen it myself.
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I have been around and observes drunks for many years.

They are usually very melancholy, or get aggressive and nasty - I have seen much more of the latter - and there is no way to rationalize with a nasty drunk.
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sangha said:
He thinks there's three doors!! :lamo
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Oh looky - a Bob Barker moment!
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
No different than waiting (over?) two hours and traveling six blocks. Remember that people were present and had called 911 at the scene, yet she made no plea for help and she left (twice?).
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Again, I don't understand the focus on the two hour disappearance and thinking back on it, you didn't explain it. Yet, you keep bringing it up as if it were somehow relevant

Why is that?
 
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SMTA said:
I have been around and observes drunks for many years.

They are usually very melancholy, or get aggressive and nasty - I have seen much more of the latter - and there is no way to rationalize with a nasty drunk.
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Don't I know it!! If she had become afraid, her intoxication may have resulted in behavior that seemed aggressive. It could make for a somewhat tragic scenario where a very afraid young lady ended up frightening a homeowner late at night.
 
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SMTA said:
Yes, how silly of you to not recognize that SD rights are exactly what we are discussing here.

Par for the course from close minded people who refuse to accept common sense and rational discussion.

Your choice, not mine.
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So then, you're saying shooting a teenager knocking on your door is "self defense"?
 
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Verax said:
So then, you're saying shooting a teenager knocking on your door is "self defense"?
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Sorry, but there is no black and white answer.

It depends on the situation, and the actions involved.

Is it possible? Of course.
 
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MaggieD said:
No, you can't have it THAT way.
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:lamo

That isn't my way, but the way it has been reported.
You asked where I got it from, I provided it.

Do you really not understand why I stated, "Now I have no idea if what has been reported is true", when I gave you what you asked for?


And then you fail to provide proof to support your belief when it is asked for.
All you did was provide something you believed as support.
Belief isn't good enough and you should know that.

And if you want to know how to prove it, look at the second image with the door removed.
Lets see if it dawns on you. :2razz:
 
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SMTA said:
Sorry, but there is no black and white answer.

It depends on the situation, and the actions involved.

Is it possible? Of course.
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:lamo What about... what about this particular situation... watcha think about that?
 
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Dezaad said:
Don't I know it!! If she had become afraid, her intoxication may have resulted in behavior that seemed aggressive. It could make for a somewhat tragic scenario where a very afraid young lady ended up frightening a homeowner late at night.
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I could see the fear from an aged homeowner.

The accidental shot fired by this Detroit homeowner bothers me.

Having a gun in a ready position and one's finger on the trigger is moronic if one is assessing a situation.

I have been in a position several times where I had a handgun out at the low ready position, but did not have my finger on the trigger.

Stupid things happen with poor gun handling skills.
 
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Excon said:
:lamo

That isn't my way, but the way it has been reported.
You asked where I got it from, I provided it.

Do you really not understand why I stated, "Now I have no idea if what has been reported is true", when I gave you what you asked for?


And then you fail to provide proof to support your belief when it is asked for.
All you did was provide something you believed as support.
Belief isn't good enough and you should know that.

And if you want to know how to prove it, look at the second image with the door removed.
Lets see if it dawns on you. :2razz:
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I realize you're quite pleased with yourself, Excon. I just have a hard time figuring out why.
 
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Verax said:
:lamo What about... what about this particular situation... watcha think about that?
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I really don't know, as there is insufficient information.

I personally have never had a situation like this as I have a large inside dog who alerts me about everything.

I honestly fear that the homeowner might have been half awake at 0430 hrs, and might have been guilty of poor judgement and bad gun handling.

Some folks are in a stupor when awakened in early hours, some are not.

If the girl was literally trying to come through the door, I could see SD.

In a similar situation, I would have had a loaded handgun in my hand and held low and out of sight - I have answered the door in this manner as we live out in the country.

I have a shotgun, but don't like using it for SD as they are too big and you are holding it in full view.

I did not want the person to see that I was armed, and I have never had an issue.

I was not there, so I cannot speak specifically about it.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

SMTA said:
I could see the fear from an aged homeowner.

The accidental shot fired by this Detroit homeowner bothers me.

Having a gun in a ready position and one's finger on the trigger is moronic if one is assessing a situation.

I have been in a position several times where I had a handgun out at the low ready position, but did not have my finger on the trigger.

Stupid things happen with poor gun handling skills.
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Agreed. This may indicate the lesser charge of manslaughter, I would speculate.
 
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Dezaad said:
Agreed. This may indicate the lesser charge of manslaughter, I would speculate.
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I agree with your speculation, and speculate that you are correct! 😄
 
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MaggieD said:
I realize you're quite pleased with yourself, Excon. I just have a hard time figuring out why.
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Your take on this is very odd.
 
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