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Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges[W:287]

Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Dezaad said:
It looks like a screen door without glass to me.
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Really?
Maybe you are not looking close enough?
I see a glass door with screen behind it.

In addition.

You can't see the reflection in this image?

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MaggieD said:
What is it that you believe? That there was a storm door and a screen door? I fail to see that it's a material difference in any case -- whether it was glass or screen. He obviously had the main interior door open. It is reported that the exterior door/screen or glass was locked. What is it that you presume happened that is contradictory to the photo you posted above?
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You apparently want to ignore what was reported.
Storm door open, screen door locked.
In that scenario she had already opened one door to his home at oh-dark-thirty in the morning and proceeded with the banging.
 
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Excon said:
You apparently want to ignore what was reported.
Storm door open, screen door locked.
In that scenario she had already opened one door to his home at oh-dark-thirty in the morning and proceeded with the banging.
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Lordy, Excon. Please show me one picture from the vast world-wide web of a house that has a screen door, then a storm door, then an interior door. Give it up. The "screen door" is the "storm door."
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Excon said:
Really?
Maybe you are not looking close enough?
I see a glass door with screen behind it.

In addition.

You can't see the reflection in this image?

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What the hell are you talking about?
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Verax said:
At least Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked on his back. This wet your pants scared conservative was terrified through a locked door.

You guys don't get it both ways. If you want yours guns you also get the responsibility. If you kill someone for no good reason you go to prison for the rest of your life, just like everyone else.
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Bull****.

I am one of the people whom you are disparaging unjustly.

I carry a weapon daily, and am quite aware of my responsibility morally and within the confines of my religion - I have researched both extensively.

The logic is simple - if the life of self or family is threatened, then I have no problem removing that threat immediately.

If avoiding the threat involves removing the family and myself immediately from the area with out firing any rounds that is a win.

If avoidance is impossible, and confrontation is eminent, then I will be firing until the threat ceases to be a threat.

If that involves the death of the perpetrator, then that is acceptable.

If said perpetrator is outside my door, and indicates that he is coming in to kill me or us, his first aggressive move will be his last.

I do not want to have anything both ways, nor do the pro-gun folks who I know.

Use your broad brush to paint something else.
 
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Excon said:
Really?
Maybe you are not looking close enough?
I see a glass door with screen behind it.

In addition.

You can't see the reflection in this image?

bilde
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Maybe you just provided a better photo this time. Anyway, yes, it looks like a glass door here. But in that case, where is the screen door that was mentioned. Something is not adding up, but I will wait until it does before I form an opinion.
 
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Dezaad said:
Maybe you just provided a better photo this time. Anyway, yes, it looks like a glass door here.
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I wonder when that photo was taken? There doesn't appear to be a hole in the glass/screen?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Stay at the crime scene and await arrest.
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Yeah, I'm sure you'd sit around and wait while you're bleeding.
 
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shrubnose said:
Correct.

I don't welcome everyone who knocks on my door into my house, but I also don't shoot people for knocking on my door.

I believe that his guy has a problem which won't turn out in his favor when this case is decided in court.

We'll all have to wait and see how this turns out.
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Maybe he did feel threatened, and shot her for that reason - nobody knows but him.

He could have also ascribed to the European philosophy of self defense and depended on another country to try and save his bacon whilst washing his own hands of responsibility.
 
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Deuce said:
Yeah, I'm sure you'd sit around and wait while you're bleeding.
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And drunk with Mary Jane in your system, which generally eliminates rational thought.
 
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SMTA said:
Bull****.

I am one of the people whom you are disparaging unjustly.

I carry a weapon daily, and am quite aware of my responsibility morally and within the confines of my religion - I have researched both extensively.

The logic is simple - if the life of self or family is threatened, then I have no problem removing that threat immediately.

If avoiding the threat involves removing the family and myself immediately from the area with out firing any rounds that is a win.

If avoidance is impossible, and confrontation is eminent, then I will be firing until the threat ceases to be a threat.

If that involves the death of the perpetrator, then that is acceptable.

If said perpetrator is outside my door, and indicates that he is coming in to kill me or us, his first aggressive move will be his last.

I do not want to have anything both ways, nor do the pro-gun folks who I know.

Use your broad brush to paint something else.
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I'm not sure what the hell you're going on about. Are you suggesting a drunk teenage girl knocking on your door is some kind of threat that is rightfully dealt with lethal force?
 
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MaggieD said:
I wonder when that photo was taken? There doesn't appear to be a hole in the glass/screen?
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Yes, exactly. I am kind of thinking that the photos may not be ones that show a damaged door, because they may not be from the time period where the door was damaged. I am trying to avoid making any assumptions.
 
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Verax said:
I'm not sure what the hell you're going on about. Are you suggesting a drunk teenage girl knocking on your door is some kind of threat that is rightfully dealt with lethal force?
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Of course you don't understand.
 
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Deuce said:
Yeah, I'm sure you'd sit around and wait while you're bleeding.
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No different than waiting (over?) two hours and traveling six blocks. Remember that people were present and had called 911 at the scene, yet she made no plea for help and she left (twice?).
 
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SMTA said:
And drunk with Mary Jane in your system, which generally eliminates rational thought.
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I haven't heard that marijuana was mixed into her intoxication. I may have missed it. Do you have a quote?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
No different than waiting (over?) two hours and traveling six blocks. Remember that people were present and had called 911 at the scene, yet she made no plea for help and she left (twice?).
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Witnesses state that and they also state that she seemed disoriented. Are you only accepting one set of statements, or all of them?
 
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Dezaad said:
I haven't heard that marijuana was mixed into her intoxication. I may have missed it. Do you have a quote?
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Not at my fingertips - it was in one of the articles that I read yesterday.

I believe that it had indicated trace amounts - the alcohol level was somewhere around 0.23 IIRC.

ETA - Found it:
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2013/11/homeowner_charged_in_killing_o.html

Toxicology results indicate McBride had marijuana in her system and a blood-alcohol level of 0.218, nearly three times the legal driving limit for Michigan, when she was killed.
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MaggieD said:
Lordy, Excon. Please show me one picture from the vast world-wide web of a house that has a screen door, then a storm door, then an interior door. Give it up. The "screen door" is the "storm door."
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:lamo


And yet she said she storm door open and screen door locked.
Can't have it both ways.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Dezaad said:
Witnesses state that and they also state that she seemed disoriented. Are you only accepting one set of statements, or all of them?
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It is you that wants it both ways; irrational behavior and no possible perception of a threat.
 
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Excon said:
:lamo

And yet she said she storm door open and screen door locked.
Can't have it both ways.
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No, you can't have it THAT way.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Dezaad said:
Witnesses state that and they also state that she seemed disoriented. Are you only accepting one set of statements, or all of them?
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Disoriented? If they saw her at the accident scene, she must have been practically unconscious. By the time several hours had passed and she was shot? The blood test showed .21+ BAC. I think I know where she was for that two hours. Passed out on somebody's lawn.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
It is you that wants it both ways; irrational behavior and no possible perception of a threat.
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What ways do I want it to be, again? I haven't indicated that I want it any particular way. I didn't ever say that there was no possible perception of a threat. However, I will state right now that it is not a given that irrational behavior indicates that there certainly was that threat. And, There is ALWAYS the possibility. It is still only you who wants it both ways. Just you.
 
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Excon said:
:lamo


And yet she said she storm door open and screen door locked.
Can't have it both ways.
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And no evidence of a screen door anywhere in any photo yet. So, something is not adding up. It is possible the quoted person used the wrong term for the inner (main) door.
 
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SMTA said:
Of course you don't understand.
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Well... you're going on about defending your family from danger... from a teenage girl knocking on your door? ... Don't you think that sounds kind of funny?
 
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MaggieD said:
Disoriented? If they saw her at the accident scene, she must have been practically unconscious. By the time several hours had passed and she was shot? The blood test showed .21+ BAC. I think I know where she was for that two hours. Passed out on somebody's lawn.
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I think ttwtt may have a bit of a point, however. If she was that inebriated, then she may have seemed threatening. I think I could imagine that scene.
 
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