Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

rhinefire · Nov 18, 2013

Trying to equate the days of a shutdown by the Tea Party, not the republicans with a catastrophe that may have no limits attributed to a babbling fool with no qualifications for the office backed by a staff that changes personnel every three months. I want one libby to give up the date when Obammy care will be fixed. Remember, only things that do not work need fixing.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
I see that you are unwilling to take a stand. Someone's comment about a greased weasel comes to mind. I can see now why he made such a comment.

Your refusal to answer gives us the answer.

It is YOU who are unwilling to explain YOUR own standard --- YOUR own term that YOU introduced into the discussion.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
You are making assumptions about where I live.

Then feel free to clarify that situation. Yes, I have taken in based on your posts that you live in the USA. If you do not, you can correct that.

What does one's physical location have to do with one's relationships and agreements with other people?

"ones physical location".... oh my! :doh:shock: I am talking about where you have made a choice to live in the nation of your choice with the laws of your choice and with the customs, responsibilities and obligations of your choice.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
It is YOU who are unwilling to explain YOUR own standard --- YOUR own term that YOU introduced into the discussion.

I'm sorry, but I thought I was dealing with someone who was at least semi-literate.

But I am always happy to educate. Here is a link to the merriam webster entry for ethical: Ethical - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So, having provided you with the definition of "ethical", I have now given you the power to answer the question: Do you consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
I'm sorry, but I thought I was dealing with someone who was at least semi-literate.

But I am always happy to educate. Here is a link to the merriam webster entry for ethical: Ethical - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So, having provided you with the definition of "ethical", I have now given you the power to answer the question: Do you consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?

Taxation is part of the accepted rules of behavior in our society and that meets with your definition - your standard - that you introduced.

See, that was pretty easy once you provided your standard.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
"ones physical location".... oh my! :doh:shock: I am talking about where you have made a choice to live in the nation of your choice with the laws of your choice and with the customs, responsibilities and obligations of your choice.

First you talk about an individual voluntarily entering into relationships with other individuals. And we agree that when two (or more) people voluntarily agree to a relationship that they can agree to rules that are part of that relationship.

But then you introduce this notion of location. I don't see what one's location has to do with any relationships one might have, enter into, or leave.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
First you talk about an individual voluntarily entering into relationships with other individuals. And we agree that when two (or more) people voluntarily agree to a relationship that they can agree to rules that are part of that relationship.

But then you introduce this notion of location. I don't see what one's location has to do with any relationships one might have, enter into, or leave.

There are none so blind as they who will not see.

You made a free choice to reside in America. You made that choice. Perhaps a child can make the case otherwise but if you are an adult - you made that choice. You confirm that choice each and every day you remain here. You voluntarily entered into the status of a resident and are subject to all the laws and rules of any citizen and you do so willingly. You are free at any time to leave if you object - but you do not and your continued status is voluntary.

This is NOT ABOUT LOCATION so flush that away with the other nonsense. This is about your free choice that you have exercised and the acceptance of what comes with that free choice.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
Taxation is part of the accepted rules of behavior in our society and that meets with your definition - your standard - that you introduced.

See, that was pretty easy once you provided your standard.

Okay, so you think it is ethical to take money from one person and give it to another. Thank you finally taking a stand and stating you position.

So that is where you and I differ on this. I think it is unethical to take what belongs to one person and give it to another. You, on the other hand, consider it ethical.

So you would think it is ethical for me to come to your home and take your TV and give it to my neighbor?

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
Okay, so you think it is ethical to take money from one person and give it to another. Thank you finally taking a stand and stating you position.

So that is where you and I differ on this. I think it is unethical to take what belongs to one person and give it to another. You, on the other hand, consider it ethical.

So you would think it is ethical for me to come to your home and take your TV and give it to my neighbor?

But you do it despite your claims of protest. YOu must have few of these high and might ethical qualms when it comes to your own benefit.

Coming in my house and taking my TV is NOT part of the accepted rules of behavior. So you lose on that one too.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
There are none so blind as they who will not see.

You made a free choice to reside in America. You made that choice. Perhaps a child can make the case otherwise but if you are an adult - you made that choice. You confirm that choice each and every day you remain here. You voluntarily entered into the status of a resident and are subject to all the laws and rules of any citizen and you do so willingly. You are free at any time to leave if you object - but you do not and your continued status is voluntary.

This is NOT ABOUT LOCATION so flush that away with the other nonsense. This is about your free choice that you have exercised and the acceptance of what comes with that free choice.

I'm not following you. Leave what exactly? My relationship with the another individual? Or my location?

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
I'm not following you. Leave what exactly?

The nation which you have made a choice to live in. But you do not. You affirm your choice each and every day to live here and accept what comes with it as part of the benefit to you.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
But you do it despite your claims of protest. YOu must have few of these high and might ethical qualms when it comes to your own benefit.

Coming in my house and taking my TV is NOT part of the accepted rules of behavior. So you lose on that one too.

Wait. Now taking what belongs to others is NOT okay? Your rules are very confusing. First you say it's ethical to take what belongs to one person and give it to another, and now you say it's not. I wish you would please make up your mind.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
The nation which you have made a choice to live in. But you do not. You affirm your choice each and every day to live here and accept what comes with it as part of the benefit to you.

The nation? Do you consider that a place or a relationship into which I voluntarily entered?

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
Wait. Now taking what belongs to others is NOT okay? Your rules are very confusing. First you say it's ethical to take what belongs to one person and give it to another, and now you say it's not. I wish you would please make up your mind.

According to what you provided for me it has to do with the accepted rules of behavior. Taxation is part of the accepted rules of behavior. Taking my TV set is not.

That was made very very clear to you in my first reply.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
The nation? Do you consider that a place or a relationship into which I voluntarily entered?

The nation is the place you can leave from and end your voluntary association with the United States of America, its people and its duly elected government.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
The nation is the place you can leave from and end your voluntary association with the United States of America, its people and its duly elected government.

I'm still not seeing why a person would have to leave his current location to simply exit a voluntary association. People enter into and leave relationships all the time. It doesn't require that they leave their current location.

j-mac · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
According to what you provided for me it has to do with the accepted rules of behavior. Taxation is part of the accepted rules of behavior.

Taxation is just another just another form of theft. The only difference is that it is the government doing the stealing.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
According to what you provided for me it has to do with the accepted rules of behavior. Taxation is part of the accepted rules of behavior. Taking my TV set is not.

That was made very very clear to you in my first reply.

I see. So it would be unethical for me to take your TV and give it to someone, but it would be ethical for me to tax you and give the money to someone.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
I'm still not seeing why a person would have to leave his current location to simply exit a voluntary association. People enter into and leave relationships all the time. It doesn't require that they leave their current location.

Because this is about much much much more than simply location. But then, that has been repeatedly explained to you so instead of attempting to refute it you adopt the ostrich position and pretend.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
I see. So it would be unethical for me to take your TV and give it to someone, but it would be ethical for me to tax you and give the money to someone.

The definition you provided for me stated accepted rules of behavior. Taxation by the duly elected peoples government acting under the laws of the land is normal - taking my TV is not.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
Because this is about much much much more than simply location. But then, that has been repeatedly explained to you so instead of attempting to refute it you adopt the ostrich position and pretend.

Your explanation is lacking. You don't explain why leaving a relationship would require that anyone move anywhere.

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
Your explanation is lacking. You don't explain why leaving a relationship would require that anyone move anywhere.

My explanation was detailed and clear. In this case it is not the singer nor the song but the listener who is willingly deaf to hearing the music.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
My explanation was detailed and clear. In this case it is not the singer nor the song but the listener who is willingly deaf to hearing the music.

So why does leaving a relationship with other people require moving from one's current location?

haymarket · Nov 18, 2013

Green Man said:
So why does leaving a relationship with other people require moving from one's current location?

Because this is about much much much more than simply location. But then, that has been repeatedly explained to you so instead of attempting to refute it you adopt the ostrich position and pretend.

Green Man · Nov 18, 2013

haymarket said:
Because this is about much much much more than simply location. But then, that has been repeatedly explained to you so instead of attempting to refute it you adopt the ostrich position and pretend.

What does "this is about much much much more than simply location" actually mean? If it's not about location, then what IS it about? You said something about an individual entering into relationships with other individuals. Is that what it's about?