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Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

haymarket said:
You are wrong. I told you very clearly their participation in the USA and its programs is entirely voluntary and they can leave at any time they desire.
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Yeah, but they didn't actually enter into the agreement voluntarily, did they?
 
Green Man said:
So you take the position that the government ought to be handing taxpayer money to people. And you consider it ethical to take one person's money in order to give it to another?
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Taxation is a basic power of all functioning governments. Spending those revenues on programs and services is another basic function of all functioning governments. It has been authorized by the people through their elected representatives in the peoples government under the United States Constitution.
 
haymarket said:
Taxation is a basic power of all functioning governments. Spending those revenues on programs and services is another basic function of all functioning governments. It has been authorized by the people through their elected representatives in the peoples government under the United States Constitution.
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So..... is that a yes? You DO consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
 
Green Man said:
Yeah, but they didn't actually enter into the agreement voluntarily, did they?
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You and I went through this just the other day. I thought that you agreed that people enter into voluntary relationships joining larger groups and in doing so willingly cede some of their own autonomy , their own wants, their own needs to the group in return for the benefits of belonging to the group. Did not we go through this just recently?
 
Green Man said:
Yeah, but they didn't actually enter into the agreement voluntarily, did they?
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Yes, they did and I have already discussed that with you.

Is it your position that you were sentenced to live in the USA and are being confined here against your will and are being prevented from exercising your own choice to be a part of our system and all it entails or not be a part of our system and all it entails?
 
Green Man said:
So..... is that a yes? You DO consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
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ETHICAL is your standard. What does it mean to you?
 
haymarket said:
You and I went through this just the other day. I thought that you agreed that people enter into voluntary relationships joining larger groups and in doing so willingly cede some of their own autonomy , their own wants, their own needs to the group in return for the benefits of belonging to the group. Did not we go through this just recently?
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Yes, when a person enters into a voluntary relationship with other people, they often agree to required behaviors as a condition of continuing that relationship.

How that relates to social security escapes me. You're claiming that people sign up for social security voluntarily? Really? Have you checked to see whether your pants are on fire?
 
Green Man said:
Yes, when a person enters into a voluntary relationship with other people, they often agree to required behaviors as a condition of continuing that relationship.

How that relates to social security escapes me. You're claiming that people sign up for social security voluntarily? Really? Have you checked to see whether your pants are on fire?
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Participation in the USA is a purely voluntary act. Unlike some other nations which make it very difficult if not impossible to leave, we do not do that in the USA.

Were you sentenced to live here as some punishment for a crime? Are you being kept here against your will? Are you being prevented from exercising your ultimate freedom of choice to decide where you will live?

Please correct me but I was under the impression you lived in the USA of your own free will.
 
haymarket said:
ETHICAL is your standard. What does it mean to you?
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What is means to me is irrelevant to my question. My question was do YOU consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
 
haymarket said:
Participation in the USA is a purely voluntary act. Unlike some other nations which make it very difficult if not impossible to leave, we do not do that in the USA.

Were you sentenced to live here as some punishment for a crime? Are you being kept here against your will? Are you being prevented from exercising your ultimate freedom of choice to decide where you will live?

Please correct me but I was under the impression you lived in the USA of your own free will.
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How does where a person lives have anything to do with the relationships into which one enters?
 
Green Man said:
What is means to me is irrelevant to my question. My question was do YOU consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
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I do not know what your standard is unless you explain it.
 
Green Man said:
How does where a person lives have anything to do with the relationships into which one enters?
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You live here of your own free will. It is basically no different than any other voluntary association to decide to enter into and abide by for the benefits involved.
 
haymarket said:
I do not know what your standard is unless you explain it.
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I'm not giving you any standard. I'm asking you if you about YOUR standards. Do YOU consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
 
haymarket said:
You live here of your own free will. It is basically no different than any other voluntary association to decide to enter into and abide by for the benefits involved.
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I'm still not seeing the connection between where one lives and the relationships into which one has voluntarily entered?
 
Green Man said:
I'm not giving you any standard. I'm asking you if you about YOUR standards. Do YOU consider it ethical to take one person's money and give it to another?
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I have no idea as I do not know what you mean.
 
Green Man said:
I'm still not seeing the connection between where one lives and the relationships into which one has voluntarily entered?
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All you have to do to seethe connection is answer one simple question: Do you live in the USA voluntarily or are you sentenced to do time here for a crime and are prevented from living elsewhere?
 
haymarket said:
All you have to do to seethe connection is answer one simple question: Do you live in the USA voluntarily or are you sentenced to do time here for a crime and are prevented from living elsewhere?
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If a person lives somewhere voluntarily, what does that have to do with any relationships he has made with others? You are not explaining how these two different things are connected?
 
haymarket said:
All you have to do to seethe connection is answer one simple question: Do you live in the USA voluntarily or are you sentenced to do time here for a crime and are prevented from living elsewhere?
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Wow, I remember a time when progressives like you hay, would get nearly apoplectic over the suggestion of "love it or leave it".... Citing everything from tribalism, to nihilism in describing the "knuckle draggers" that would suggest that you are 'unpatriotic' for expressing a dissenting viewpoint....

Funny how things change in such a short time eh?
 
j-mac said:
Wow, I remember a time when progressives like you hay, would get nearly apoplectic over the suggestion of "love it or leave it".... Citing everything from tribalism, to nihilism in describing the "knuckle draggers" that would suggest that you are 'unpatriotic' for expressing a dissenting viewpoint....

Funny how things change in such a short time eh?
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Progressives did leave it. I was born in 49 and lots of people in my age group did leave because they objected to participation in certain practices mandated by the US government. Leaving for something better is the reason this land was founded in the first place by people from Europe.
 
Green Man said:
If a person lives somewhere voluntarily, what does that have to do with any relationships he has made with others? You are not explaining how these two different things are connected?
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You have made a choice to live in the USA and be part of the USA with all that comes with it. If you decide otherwise you may exercise your free choice.
 
haymarket said:
Since it is your standard that you want applied - tell us what you think it is.
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I see that you are unwilling to take a stand. Someone's comment about a greased weasel comes to mind. I can see now why he made such a comment.

Your refusal to answer gives us the answer.
 
haymarket said:
You have made a choice to live in the USA and be part of the USA with all that comes with it. If you decide otherwise you may exercise your free choice.
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You are making assumptions about where I live.

You still haven't explained the connection. If a person lives somewhere in the USA what does that have to do with any relationships he may or may not enter into? What does one's physical location have to do with one's relationships and agreements with other people?
 
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