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It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

cpgrad08 said:
Today the white house relase the enrollment numbers for the ACA and that number 106,000 out of a country of 320 million people. Obamacare can only work if it was high enrollment.

October Obamacare enrollment low - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
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Remember the story I linked yesterday....the 106,000 is the number of people that selected plans on the web site. Not all of them signed up.

I would bet a good portion of them are reporters testing the system out.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The numbers I saw on CNN were about 76,000 on the state exchanges and 26,000 on the federal exchange - those aren't exact, just ballpark numbers from what I remember.
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Then one has to wonder how may were for regular health insurance vs. medicaid. But with all the problems I don't think higher numbers should have been expected. I am no ACA fan, but with all the problems, these may not be that bad of numbers.
 
NIMBY said:
Now you're crossing the line again..
You posted on me first today, all can see that, defeating your troll meme..
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You're right - I confronted your nonsense posts - unlike you, who secretly reports people in order to try to silence them.
 
MMC said:
UPDATE: Only 26,794 of Obamacare enrollments came through the federal exchange. The rest, 79,000+ have received their coverage through state exchanges. Here is a state-by-state breakdown of the number of people who have enrolled through the federal exchange.....snip~


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1390 in Georgia, probably almost all from the Atlanta area. Does the totals also include medicare enrollees along with those for normal health insurance plans?
 
NIMBY said:
We here in Illinois don't let the 10th amendment get in the way of things like the Medicaid sign-up, a Republican idea..
Why do Republican governors block Medicaid for their uninsured poor, 2/3 of the Nation's poor??
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Why do democrats throw pork in every bill then label and pretend the bill is for an entirely different idea or issue?

It's like going to your mom when you're a kid and telling your mom you need 20 bucks for a pack of gum and then pretending the WHOLE 20 bucks is just for a pack of gum....

That's why a lot of republicans refuse to sign bills - because democrats pretend like they're just asking for one thing when in reality they want a grocery list of programs to spend on yet act like it's a sing issue bill when its NOT....

If you paid attention to the actual legislation (read it) you would understand...

Furthermore republicans in Illinois cant do anything considering Chicago is STRONGLY democratic and holds the state hostage so your attempt at a point is moot...
 
NIMBY said:
I saw a dozen of you rigthtists when I first came on this thread..
I didn't know I wasn't allowed when I postede, but to no one..

Are you only for YOUR 1st amendment rights??
Ain't retirement grand ?
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I'm serious, do you REALLY believe the stuff you type, like the quote I posted. If the numbers were getting better, democrats wouldn't have cornered Obama and through down the gauntlet, if the numbers were better they'd have released them showing "Hey,l October, not so good, but look at the progress so far!

They haven't, this implies heavily that things are going very poorly.
 
Lutherf said:
I suspect that the number we will see tomorrow will be more like 500,000.

We will be told that 106k have signed up on state and federal exchanges but they will also add the nearly 400k that are now medicaid eligible..
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These two numbers came out of the government SEPARATE today, as they should have..
Makes that 50,000 FOX meme look silly don't you think??
Have you seen the one million number yet..
And they will only get better each day, the GOP's greatest nightmare .
 
Perotista said:
Then one has to wonder how may were for regular health insurance vs. medicaid. But with all the problems I don't think higher numbers should have been expected. I am no ACA fan, but with all the problems, these may not be that bad of numbers.
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If the rollout was to take about a year before penalties became effective, you may be right - however, when people have to be signed up and receiving coverage by January 1 in order to avoid the penalty and when you need to be signed up and accepted by the first of December in order for that to be the case, I don't see how it's possible to get tens of millions more signed up in time. The lead ACA tech guy claims that the site can now handle about 25,000 people viewing and accessing at one time, that's still woefully short of what's needed to get things processed in time.
 
NIMBY said:
it isn't below 50,000---it is 106,185 people who have signed up for ACA during October---here we are on Day 43 and things are getting better every day with ACA and all the Republicans have is the Dems greatest weapon---Darrel Issa and his kangaroo court
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Hitler kept denying the war was lost right after the allies made the breakthrough after D-day. His generals knew better.
 
Beaudreaux said:
These numbers include people that chose a plan, but have not PAID. How can person be counted as enrolled, if they haven't paid?

I would like to know the number of people that actually paid for their insurance, because if people haven't paid they don't have insurance and are therefore not enrolled in anything.
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I see you are not misinformed but well informed. The numbers include those who have put it in the shopping cart but actually haven't paid and enrolled in Obamacare.

A few days ago I heard that the Obama administration would cook the numbers and include those people who have a Obamacare plan in the shopping cart. That's what they did.

What's the actual number that actually have really enrolled in a program, around 20 K ?

Are there still people believing #### coming from the Obama administration ?
 
NIMBY said:
You are not watching the behavior of the Congressional members with TEAprimaries--
can you say no more Obama appointees will be allowed a vote in the Senate--not even a clarence thomas duplicate--just for the sake of it
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I see that going on, but have no idea why you would bring that up in an ACA thread since they're not related at all.

The nominations are being held up over Benghazi, not the ACA, or the Tea Party. Senator Graham is the key Senator holding up the nominations and he isn't a Tea Party member.
 
The GOP is winning the war over the airwaves..
I congratulate your team for that..
MrVicchio said:
I'm serious, do you REALLY believe the stuff you type, like the quote I posted.
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What do you believe??
If the numbers were getting better, democrats wouldn't have cornered Obama and through down the gauntlet, if the numbers were better they'd have released them showing "Hey,l October, not so good, but look at the progress so far!
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The numbers are now going up..
Democratic poll numbers are down in a few RED states--that is true--will those numbers rebound??
They haven't, this implies heavily that things are going very poorly.
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Do you hope for this or are you hoping all Americans have "good" insurance??
 
cpgrad08 said:
Today the white house relase the enrollment numbers for the ACA and that number 106,000 out of a country of 320 million people. Obamacare can only work if it was high enrollment.

October Obamacare enrollment low - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
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And that # is bogus. It's the number of people that registered on the sites and said they want a plan. The number that actually have a plan is MUCH MUCH lower. As if even the false numbers they put out weren't bad enough.
 
Perotista said:
1390 in Georgia, probably almost all from the Atlanta area. Does the totals also include medicare enrollees along with those for normal health insurance plans?
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I am lookin now for Medicaid roll outs to. But do you think that part about people keeping their kids on their insurance until 26 is showing up as the problem the Democrats didn't place much significance upon?

Also there are theses Updates.

UPDATE II: In a conference call with reporters, Sebelius said, "The marketplace is working," and "We can reasonably expect these numbers will grow substantially over the next five months."

UPDATE III: Naturally, the HHS enrollment site where official numbers are posted, has crashed.....snip~
 
CanadaJohn said:
If the rollout was to take about a year before penalties became effective, you may be right - however, when people have to be signed up and receiving coverage by January 1 in order to avoid the penalty and when you need to be signed up and accepted by the first of December in order for that to be the case, I don't see how it's possible to get tens of millions more signed up in time. The lead ACA tech guy claims that the site can now handle about 25,000 people viewing and accessing at one time, that's still woefully short of what's needed to get things processed in time.
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I heard on the news today that one reason the president is standing fast on the implementation dates and will not extend the deadline is the insurance companies who went along with the ACA are really pushing the president hard against it. They need their money now, not 6 months or a year from now as they are now insuring are these folks with pre-existing condidtions which is causing them to lose money without the input of the healthy invinceables. This was reported on our 24hours news radio channel, a Cumulus broadcasting company. Not Fox. It seems to make sense, but I haven't heard any of this on the other news outlets.
 
APACHERAT said:
I see you are not misinformed but well informed. The numbers include those who have put it in the shopping cart but actually haven't paid and enrolled in Obamacare.

A few days ago I heard that the Obama administration would cook the numbers and include those people who have a Obamacare plan in the shopping cart. That's what they did.

What's the actual number that actually have really enrolled in a program, around 20 K ?

Are there still people believing #### coming from the Obama administration ?
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Of course there are. Sycophants and ideological lemmings (on both sides) will support their side regardless.
 
Arbo said:
And that # is bogus. It's the number of people that registered on the sites and said they want a plan. The number that actually have a plan is MUCH MUCH lower. As if even the false numbers they put out weren't bad enough.
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I just heard that the Obama administration just announced that less than 27 K have actually signed up for Obamacare using Obama's website.

As was predicted, they lied and included those who were still shopping to their numbers.
 
Perotista said:
I heard on the news today that one reason the president is standing fast on the implementation dates and will not extend the deadline is the insurance companies who went along with the ACA are really pushing the president hard against it. They need their money now, not 6 months or a year from now as they are now insuring are these folks with pre-existing condidtions which is causing them to lose money without the input of the healthy invinceables. This was reported on our 24hours news radio channel, a Cumulus broadcasting company. Not Fox. It seems to make sense, but I haven't heard any of this on the other news outlets.
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It does make sense. What was never properly explained, from my perspective, was what incentive does an insurance company have to offer insurance to those with existing conditions when the vast majority of the healthy and uninsured will simply pay the tax/fine and stay uninsured. There is a clear disconnect there, from what I can see. What's likely going to happen is that everyone who has insurance or gets insurance is going to see it climb dramatically until such time as the tax/fine becomes higher than the cost of insurance.
 
But they are related..
Just like the House refuses to do immigration until they do their ACA bill, if they ever can..
And we know they can't do a farm or transportation bill..
Beaudreaux said:
I see that going on, but have no idea why you would bring that up in an ACA thread since they're not related at all.
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The machinations of the Congress are all interrelated..
The nominations are being held up over Benghazi, not the ACA, or the Tea Party.
Senator Graham is the key Senator holding up the nominations and he isn't a Tea Party member.
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Did Dems hold up nominations over Iraq, Medicare part d??
 
NIMBY said:
The GOP is winning the war over the airwaves..
I congratulate your team for that..

What do you believe??
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I believe you're paid to post personally.
NIMBY said:
The numbers are now going up..
Democratic poll numbers are down in a few RED states--that is true--will those numbers rebound??
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The numbers are a LIE! If I visited the ACA website, looked at plans, put one in my cart and decided "no, not now" I'm counted as a signee. That's patently dishonest. Imagine, if you can... I'll take Obama's example, Apple. Imagine if Apple posted projected earnings based on anything that had been placed into the Apple Store Shopping cart. They'd get sued, their stock would drop and possible jail time would ensue after the ACTUAL earnings came out. Ya know, the much lower "what people actually bought" numbers.
NIMBY said:
Do you hope for this or are you hoping all Americans have "good" insurance??
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I hope the entire fiasco of Government involvement in providing healthcare collapses in on itself. I have the RIGHT to choose the care that is best for both my health concerns and financial concerns. I do NOT have the right to demand other people subsidize my insurance.

Which is what Obamacare is. When the employermandate hits next year, should this mess be in place... I'll go healthcareless. I've already reconfigured our taxes so we'll owe nothing and get back nothing.
 
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