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It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

Do you like paying for people without insurance when they need it unforeseen??
Are you a PPACA scofflaw as well as a 16th amendment scofflaw??
are we in a holding pattern until the 2014 election due to TEAprimaries ?
Henrin said:
The ones that aren't forced to buy something they don't want? I was unaware that some people didn't matter.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
lets not forget that the Massachusetts health care plan had its own slow start.

here is a report showing the progress of Commenwealthcare one year after implementation.

http://masshealthpolicyforum.brandeis.edu/publications/pdfs/31-May07/MassHealthCareReformProgess%20Report.pdf
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Here's the problem, and it isn't how slow people sign sign up compared to or in way related to Romneycare: If enough young healthy people do not sign up in the time required, the overall cost of insurance for the rest of us will skyrocket.

It has nothing to do with whether people like or support the ACA or not, but rather whether the purpose of the law, to lower health costs, will actually come to light. SO far, all costs have gone up. The law is having the exact opposite effect it was sold as having.

If costs go up, why have this law?

Changes needed to be made in our health care insurance system, like eliminating preexisting condition exemptions, but this law isn't working and will not given its current structure.
 
Are you used to Social Security??
Did you listen to President Clinton describe what a disaster the roll-out was for Medicare part D??
Alas, we have a different standard for BHO as we have since Feb. 2009 .
Erod said:
Some Chinese prefer communism. Some don't. I suppose we'll all get used to it.
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NIMBY said:
it isn't below 50,000---it is 106,185 people who have signed up for ACA during October---here we are on Day 43 and things are getting better every day with ACA and all the Republicans have is the Dems greatest weapon---Darrel Issa and his kangaroo court
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Whistling past the graveyard is a daily passtime for you, isn't it?
 
NIMBY said:
Do you like paying for people without insurance when they need it unforeseen??
Are you a PPACA scofflaw as well as a 16th amendment scofflaw??
are we in a holding pattern until the 2014 election due to TEAprimaries ?
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What does my disapproval of paying more have to do with anything? People shouldn't be forced to buy services just because I happen to disagree with certain things they do or fail to do. Furthermore, you're talking about a consequence of government policy.

I haven't a clue what the second or third question means.

It should however be noted that the only reason you want them to buy insurance is because you know it will lower your costs. Sorry, but keep your selfish government coercion away from people.
 
NIMBY said:
Closing in on 400,000--:shock:-- folks now signed up for Medicare and one million who have made it through the websit!!?
And what do Republikans have..Medi--sKare, if I kan borrow that k letter from zimmer..
Go Red Kentucky, keep showing us the way..Day 43..
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Even this lowly Canadian knows that people eligible for Medicare aren't part of the ACA numbers. Perhaps instead of shopping for health insurance you should go shopping for a clue.
 
Compare 43 days on PPACA to 43 days on Social Security--no computers--1/3 the people--I'm still glad to be on the correct side of history--as president Clinton said--it is good we have PPACA--can't w3ait till we see the bill from the House--they can't pass anything can they..It's election-mode here on out--jcj..
CanadaJohn said:
You must have graduated from the "Obama school of blame-laying". Low enrolment couldn't possibly have anything to do with the law being crap, right?
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Henrin said:
The IRS lacks the authority to force people to pay the fine. All they can do is take it from peoples refund or send them nasty letters.
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There are some Tax Rebel groups who will tell you the IRS lacks the authority to force anyone to
pay taxes. That minor technicality does not stop them from destroying peoples lives.
I can assure you a "nasty letter" from the IRS bears the same intimidation factor as the Spanish inquisition.
The only difference is that the torture is financial and mental.
 
NIMBY said:
You're the 3rd straight rightist to tap on me in a few minutes--righties are out in force with all of their anti--PPACA noise--what's it like to be against something and against the uninsured instead of being for something--what will you say when your phony outrage is proven wrong on people losing insurance ?
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I'm not a "rightist" - if anything you are not me....

I'm not the one defending authoritarian ideas while claiming to be "liberal."

I don't know why every "liberal" in this world believes they have the right to tell me what I need to do and what values I should hold and that it's the governments responsibility to enforce their fascism (your ideas/progressive ideas) on me.

You're on the right buddy - not me....
 
cpgrad08 said:
Today the white house relase the enrollment numbers for the ACA and that number 106,000 out of a country of 320 million people. Obamacare can only work if it was high enrollment.

October Obamacare enrollment low - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
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With all the problems with the web site, it is a miracle the number is that high. I wouldn't have expected anymore. Now the question is, does that figure include the state exchanges along with the federal one or just the federal one?
 
cpgrad08 said:
Today the white house relase the enrollment numbers for the ACA and that number 106,000 out of a country of 320 million people. Obamacare can only work if it was high enrollment.

October Obamacare enrollment low - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
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I suspect that the number we will see tomorrow will be more like 500,000.

We will be told that 106k have signed up on state and federal exchanges but they will also add the nearly 400k that are now medicaid eligible.

Keep in mind that this is looking like a 4:1 ratio of people getting "free" healthcare versus individually purchased plans. It also doesn't say anything about the subsidies that will be paid for those 106k that went through the exchanges. Furthermore, we have yet to see how many will lose their employer sponsored plans which will be effected by the ACA next year.
 
NIMBY said:
Do you like paying for people without insurance when they need it unforeseen??
Are you a PPACA scofflaw as well as a 16th amendment scofflaw??
are we in a holding pattern until the 2014 election due to TEAprimaries ?
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Holy Cow!!!

What a jumbled up mess of an argument.

The government forcing people to purchase a product that they may not want has nothing to do with taxation or the Tea Party.
 
so you are saying that "whistling past the graveyard is a daily passtime for me"..
that's an improvement from your vitriol of my being a blankety blank liar--got any content from the land of crack mayors
CanadaJohn said:
Whistling past the graveyard is a daily passtime for you, isn't it?
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longview said:
Beware of Greeks/Government officials bearing gifts!
The difference is between the bait and the switch.
The ACA is about driving all Health Insurance carriers into the secondary roll of
administrating the single payer system.
The personal user costs are distant second to the primary objective of single payer.
Those words sound good in speeches, but have the same credibility as a used car salesman.
(Perhaps I am being insulting to used car salesman, but no offense is intended.)
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There you have it... it's all about forcing the country toward a single payer system.
 
You are not watching the behavior of the Congressional members with TEAprimaries--
can you say no more Obama appointees will be allowed a vote in the Senate--not even a clarence thomas duplicate--just for the sake of it
Beaudreaux said:
Holy Cow!!!

What a jumbled up mess of an argument.

The government forcing people to purchase a product that they may not want has nothing to do with taxation or the Tea Party.
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Perotista said:
With all the problems with the web site, it is a miracle the number is that high. I wouldn't have expected anymore. Now the question is, does that figure include the state exchanges along with the federal one or just the federal one?
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The numbers I saw on CNN were about 76,000 on the state exchanges and 26,000 on the federal exchange - those aren't exact, just ballpark numbers from what I remember.
 
NIMBY said:
it isn't below 50,000---it is 106,185 people who have signed up for ACA during October---here we are on Day 43 and things are getting better every day with ACA and all the Republicans have is the Dems greatest weapon---Darrel Issa and his kangaroo court
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Are you paid to bray the progressive message or are you a true believer?
 
Repeating, are you a PPACA scofflaw as well as a 16th amendment scofflaw??
Beaudreaux said:
Holy Cow!!!

What a jumbled up mess of an argument.

The government forcing people to purchase a product that they may not want has nothing to do with taxation or the Tea Party.
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NIMBY said:
so you are saying that "whistling past the graveyard is a daily passtime for me"..
that's an improvement from your vitriol of my being a blankety blank liar--got any content from the land of crack mayors
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You weren't lying in the post I commented on, you were just delusional, thus my comment. Start lying again and I'll gladly point it out.

Are you still trolling my posts so you can report them even if the person I'm addressing isn't bothered? Still trying to shut people down you don't agree with?
 
I saw a dozen of you rigthtists when I first came on this thread..
I didn't know I wasn't allowed when I postede, but to no one..
MrVicchio said:
Are you paid to bray the progressive message or are you a true believer?
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Are you only for YOUR 1st amendment rights??
Ain't retirement grand ?
 
Perotista said:
With all the problems with the web site, it is a miracle the number is that high. I wouldn't have expected anymore. Now the question is, does that figure include the state exchanges along with the federal one or just the federal one?
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Heya Pero. :2wave: Its from the Fed.

BREAKING: Official Obamacare Enrollment Numbers Released: 106,185 "Signed Up"

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After a month and a half of waiting, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has released the official Obamacare enrollment numbers on behalf of the White House. The grand total? 106,185 people have signed up. The White House projected 494,620 people would be enrolled at this point.

Marketplace plan selection of 106,185 is 1.5 percent of the estimated enrollees at the end of the 2014 open enrollment period (Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimate, May 2013). (See Appendix C for more information on enrollment experiences in other programs.)

Keep in mind that the definition of "enrolled" according to the Obama adminstration is the following:

"It [enrollment] will count people who have purchased a plan as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid.".....snip~

BREAKING: Official Obamacare Enrollment Numbers Released: 27,000 "Signed Up" - Katie Pavlich
 
Now you're crossing the line again..
You posted on me first today, all can see that, defeating your troll meme..
CanadaJohn said:
You weren't lying in the post I commented on, you were just delusional, thus my comment. Start lying again and I'll gladly point it out.

Are you still trolling my posts so you can report them even if the person I'm addressing isn't bothered? Still trying to shut people down you don't agree with?
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longview said:
No worries, it will go higher when people have to choose it or paying a fine.
The people whose Insurance drops them will have no choice (of Insurance, they may still choose to
pay the fine instead of buying insurance.)
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A couple of days ago I read an article that says the government is not advertising on their web site, the fact that you can get ripped off on the insurance rates that they caused to go up or you can pay the tax increase..
Just more deception from the Obama administration.
 
UPDATE: Only 26,794 of Obamacare enrollments came through the federal exchange. The rest, 79,000+ have received their coverage through state exchanges. Here is a state-by-state breakdown of the number of people who have enrolled through the federal exchange.....snip~


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