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What's crazy is how much the GOP talks about small government while at the same time how bad the GOP want's in me and my wife's pants at the same time. Your folk want to implement policies that play morality police. That is about as big a government intrusion as big government can be.

Yep. The next thing will be to require that you buy "private" goods/services or pay additional taxes instead. ;)

While neither major party is now truly for a constitutionally limited federal gov't, the republicants are closer than the demorats.
 
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So you fall into the "chill me out, gas substitute, cool pants" category of delusional pot supporter. Check.

Ad hominems because you have no argument.

"Almost everything in this world is more dangerous than marijuana" .. man, you owe me a keyboard, that is hilarious.

Cheeseburgers, aspirin, driving, football, prison, jail, crossing the street, running with scissors.

All those things have the potential to be deadly or cause great harm.

Other than marijuana possibly exacerbating some mental illness problems already present or lurking in the shadows, there is little evidence it does much else of significance.
 
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Ad hominems because you have no argument.

Just an observation. You were the one who claimed "almost everything is the world is more dangerous than marijuana". That is delusional.

Cheeseburgers, aspirin, driving, football, prison, jail, crossing the street, running with scissors.

All those things have the potential to be deadly or cause great harm.

That is hilarious:

Cheeseburgers: marijuana makes you eat unhealthy foods
Aspirin: Prove it. Challenge: Use a site that isn't a pot propaganda site.
Driving: Even more dangerous (for everyone) when stoned!
Football: Ahahahahah!
Prison: Marijuana is the #1 drug linked to crime in the US.
Jail: See Prison
Crossing the street: See Driving
Running with scissors: Citation Needed


Other than marijuana possibly exacerbating some mental illness problems already present or lurking in the shadows, there is little evidence it does much else of significance.

Pot smokers also average 8 IQ points less than the average public. Granted, that could also be a contributing factor to using marijuana in the first place.

That doesn't make for a great sales pitch though. "Marijuana: The choice of psychologically-impaired, low-IQ people everywhere!"
 
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Just an observation. You were the one who claimed "almost everything is the world is more dangerous than marijuana". That is delusional.

I was responding to this.

So you fall into the "chill me out, gas substitute, cool pants" category of delusional pot supporter. Check.

You are dishonest.

That is hilarious:

Cheeseburgers: marijuana makes you eat unhealthy foods
That's a personal choice, you don't have to eat unhealthy foods. Where's your responsibility "conservative"? The pot made me eat it! Waaaah

Aspirin: Prove it. Challenge: Use a site that isn't a pot propaganda site.
This is common knowledge but I will help you anyway. Let me google that for you

Driving: Even more dangerous (for everyone) when stoned!
Pathetic, recycled strawman. Nobody is advocating driving stoned. Not to mention if I had a choice, I'd prefer someone stoned over drunk.

Football: Ahahahahah!
Again this is common knowledge but apparently not to you. Let me google that for you

Oh god... anyone with even the slightest ability to think critically could see through this.

1. Marijuana stays in your system for up to 30 days making it the easiest to detect.
2. Having marijuana in your system when you are arrested doesn't mean anything. Correlation does not equal causation.
3. This article relies on what the "Drug Czar" says, his job is to not just fight drugs, but to drum up support for his cause. Biased? NOOO WAAAY
4. If you read the rest of the article it blasts the first half pretty convincingly. Apparently pot heads aren't the only ones who can't focus for more than 30 seconds.
5. Have you ever heard of someone robbing houses or stores or anything for WEED? What planet are you on. Some kid stealing 30 bucks out of his mom's purse to buy pot doesn't count as hardcore crime.

Crossing the street: See Driving
Don't smoke pot and roam around in traffic, should be common sense. Want to regulate that too, "conservative"?

Running with scissors: Citation Needed
Wow... were you never a kid? You never heard or seen someone run with something, trip, fall, and impale themselves? I saw a girl running with a ruler and fell, it went in her mouth and sliced the roof of her mouth terribly... more dangerous than a joint lemme tell ya.

Pot smokers also average 8 IQ points less than the average public. Granted, that could also be a contributing factor to using marijuana in the first place.

That doesn't make for a great sales pitch though. "Marijuana: The choice of psychologically-impaired, low-IQ people everywhere!"
There are plenty of studies and some seem to find a link and others don't, the jury is still out. Besides, I don't advocate teenagers smoking pot anyways, legal age should be 21 like alcohol. In fact I don't advocate people smoking cigs, or drinking, or smoking pot, or eating bad food, or anything. However making things illegal and throwing people in jail is not the answer. Rehabilitation, support, education, these are the keys to helping make better people. Jail and prison are far more dangerous than pot... which is ironic that's where you want to send people for their and others "safety", lol.
 
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You are dishonest.

Nope. Telling it like it is.


That's a personal choice, you don't have to eat unhealthy foods. Where's your responsibility "conservative"? The pot made me eat it! Waaaah

Sooo... let me see if I follow your logic here: cheeseburgers are dangerous because they are unhealthy, but pot, which impairs people's brains and make them want to eat cheeseburgers (while filling their lungs with carcinogens) is LESS dangerous because LALALALALALALA!


This is common knowledge but I will help you anyway. Let me google that for you

Ah, and you only provided half of your argument proving something I never doubted. You still need the comparison. Marijuana is a risk factor for Heart attack and Stroke. While the total number of deaths attributed to aspirin is more than pot, the actual use of asprin in the population far exceeds that of marijuana.

Anyway, you provided a Google search that didn't actually compare aspirin to marijuana death rate, so you failed in your mission.

Pathetic, recycled strawman. Nobody is advocating driving stoned. Not to mention if I had a choice, I'd prefer someone stoned over drunk.

So driving stoned is more dangerous than driving? Hmmm... this marijuana you speak of ... it doesn't sound safe....

Again this is common knowledge but apparently not to you. Let me google that for you

Again you have not actually compared deaths from football to deaths from marijuana (heart attacks, strokes), so you haven't proved your point. I know statistical proofs are hard but that doesn't excuse you from doing them.

Another failure on your part.

Oh god... anyone with even the slightest ability to think critically could see through this.

1. Marijuana stays in your system for up to 30 days making it the easiest to detect.
2. Having marijuana in your system when you are arrested doesn't mean anything. Correlation does not equal causation.
3. This article relies on what the "Drug Czar" says, his job is to not just fight drugs, but to drum up support for his cause. Biased? NOOO WAAAY
4. If you read the rest of the article it blasts the first half pretty convincingly. Apparently pot heads aren't the only ones who can't focus for more than 30 seconds.
5. Have you ever heard of someone robbing houses or stores or anything for WEED? What planet are you on. Some kid stealing 30 bucks out of his mom's purse to buy pot doesn't count as hardcore crime.

More hand waving excuses in lieu of an actual rebuttal. Bureau of Justice keeps a rather extensive set of statistics on the condition of criminals before, during and after committing the crime.

28.8% of all criminals admitted to using drugs at the time they were committing the crime. The most used drug during the commission of a crime? Marijuana in a landslide. 47% of all crimes that were committed under the influence of a drug were done under the influence of Marijuana. The statistics.

Of all the criminals surveyed, 82% admitted to using drugs. 75% used Marijuana. Granted, that last statistic more indicates that marijuana users are an unsavory bunch... but again, not much of a sales pitch when combined with psychological disorders and low IQs.

Don't smoke pot and roam around in traffic, should be common sense. Want to regulate that too, "conservative"?


SHOULD be common sense, but alas pot has a way of robbing you of common sense... compounded by the evidence that those who choose to smoke pot don't have much sense to spare to begin with.


Wow... were you never a kid? You never heard or seen someone run with something, trip, fall, and impale themselves? I saw a girl running with a ruler and fell, it went in her mouth and sliced the roof of her mouth terribly... more dangerous than a joint lemme tell ya.

No, I don't live in the world where pot is the miracle drug of choice for well adjusted, intelligent people and scissors are the scourge of mankind. Wait here...

I just ran to the kitchen and back with scissors and I am still capable of operating heavy machinery. Case. Closed.


There are plenty of studies and some seem to find a link and others don't, the jury is still out. Besides, I don't advocate teenagers smoking pot anyways, legal age should be 21 like alcohol. In fact I don't advocate people smoking cigs, or drinking, or smoking pot, or eating bad food, or anything. However making things illegal and throwing people in jail is not the answer. Rehabilitation, support, education, these are the keys to helping make better people. Jail and prison are far more dangerous than pot... which is ironic that's where you want to send people for their and others "safety", lol.


All fine and good, but the legalization of pot at all will ensure more kids will have access to pot. So your moral stand on under age pot use is wholly pointless as you support the policies that will make it more prevalent.
 
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Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.

Here is what I get, but seems to pass over the heads of... well.. the heads... this huge push to legalize pot, and then the Michelle Obama's and Bloomberg's getting their gonch in a wad over salt, trans fat, soda etc.

Hey... I'm a Conservative, and I tellya what. Smoke all the weed you want, but leave me and my soda, salt and whatever else alone. Please, just **** off and get out of my life. Fair trade?
 
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A stat to look at that would be interesting would be drug-related violence in Colorado - has it gone up? Down?
 
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Nope. Telling it like it is.
Doubling down on your twisting of the truth.

Sooo... let me see if I follow your logic here: cheeseburgers are dangerous because they are unhealthy, but pot, which impairs people's brains and make them want to eat cheeseburgers (while filling their lungs with carcinogens) is LESS dangerous because LALALALALALALA!
Unhealthy foods kill millions every year, marijuana does not.

Marijuana also does not have a clear link to lung cancer but I would assume it contributes at least a small amount, being that it is smoke...

Marijuana Not Linked To Lung Cancer When Use Is Light Or Moderate, Unknown With Heavy Use

Ah, and you only provided half of your argument proving something I never doubted. You still need the comparison. Marijuana is a risk factor for Heart attack and Stroke. While the total number of deaths attributed to aspirin is more than pot, the actual use of asprin in the population far exceeds that of marijuana.

Anyway, you provided a Google search that didn't actually compare aspirin to marijuana death rate, so you failed in your mission.
Pot doesn't kill anyone in conclusive or significant numbers. You keep playing dumb with everything. I didn't make the other half of the argument because it is yet again, common knowledge. Quoting a single source that says there might be some risk is ridiculous. Show me multiple studies that have a clear and significant contribution to heart disease and you might have a point. Did you even read your own article?

Conclusions

Habitual marijuana use among patients presenting with acute MI was associated with an apparent increased mortality rate over the following 18 years that did not reach nominal statistical significance. Larger studies with repeated measures of marijuana use are needed to definitively establish whether there are adverse cardiovascular consequences of smoking marijuana among patients with established coronary heart disease.

So driving stoned is more dangerous than driving? Hmmm... this marijuana you speak of ... it doesn't sound safe....
Grasping at straws.

Again you have not actually compared deaths from football to deaths from marijuana (heart attacks, strokes), so you haven't proved your point. I know statistical proofs are hard but that doesn't excuse you from doing them.

Another failure on your part.
More crap based on your previous shaky nonsense. Pot doesn't kill anyone definitively but football does.

More hand waving excuses in lieu of an actual rebuttal. Bureau of Justice keeps a rather extensive set of statistics on the condition of criminals before, during and after committing the crime.

28.8% of all criminals admitted to using drugs at the time they were committing the crime. The most used drug during the commission of a crime? Marijuana in a landslide. 47% of all crimes that were committed under the influence of a drug were done under the influence of Marijuana. The statistics.

Of all the criminals surveyed, 82% admitted to using drugs. 75% used Marijuana. Granted, that last statistic more indicates that marijuana users are an unsavory bunch... but again, not much of a sales pitch when combined with psychological disorders and low IQs.
You're still going the correlation route, it doesn't prove causation, this is one of the most basic blunders of non scientific people and you keep doing it. You then throw in a bunch of ad hominems to disparage pot smokers to associate them with criminal activity to drive your nastiness home. Congratulations, you sound like an angry, ignorant old fool that likes to throw rocks.


SHOULD be common sense, but alas pot has a way of robbing you of common sense... compounded by the evidence that those who choose to smoke pot don't have much sense to spare to begin with.

No, I don't live in the world where pot is the miracle drug of choice for well adjusted, intelligent people and scissors are the scourge of mankind. Wait here...

I just ran to the kitchen and back with scissors and I am still capable of operating heavy machinery. Case. Closed.

All fine and good, but the legalization of pot at all will ensure more kids will have access to pot. So your moral stand on under age pot use is wholly pointless as you support the policies that will make it more prevalent.
More disparaging comments about pot smokers being idiots as a whole, do you talk this way about people who drink here and there?

I'm not advocating people smoking pot and operating heavy machinery, more strawmans from you, your arguments are always based on flawed garbage.

Legalization will ensure more kids have access to pot? Why? Because you say so? Because people who want to keep pot illegal say so? It would still be illegal for kids to have it, they already have it, and if they get it that is a failure on adults part, not marijuana.
 
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A stat to look at that would be interesting would be drug-related violence in Colorado - has it gone up? Down?

And funyun sales... up or down?
 
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What would be a useful study would see if as pot use among teens goes up, does alcohol usage go up, down or remain the same? I think alcoholism is worse than pothead-ish.
 
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Probably the reason this country has no many problems is because there were no laws against drugs when the country was started. It took way over a century for government to increasingly realize how stupid those "founders" and early Americans were - and their absurd idea that people pretty much should be able to whatever the hell they want to unless it some kind of serious crime directly against someone else. Those fools who started this country didn't even understand the urgency of government criminally outlawing people risking harming themselves.

The phrase "Uncle Sam" should be changed to "Pappa Sam."
 
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Keep telling yourself that! I got that a lot from my clients as well. It's never the drug, it is always one conspiracy or another that is totally real and marijuana is the only way they can just chill out. Like all addiction the addict convinces themselves that the drug is the only medicine that works for the problems that, quite clearly to sober outside observers, are the result of using the drug.

Wow, I guess after 10 years you would really have the slogans down pat. I bet you could recite them for pages.

Have you SEEN how FAT people are getting, seen all the unlimited food in WalMart stores, and the massive personal and economic harm obesity causes?

Did you know that SALT is the cause of 1 of 10 deaths, yet no one has lifted a finger to stop those salt-dealers - from grocery stories to restaurants?

You should spend some time in hospitals to see what unlimited free choice of food and unlimited salt is doing to people. Then you could see it FIRST HAND - and come up with some good slogans about that too.
 
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There is no denying that alcohol and narcotics destroy many, many lives. Nothing has ever indicated any laws or number of prison cells has every changed that. Rather, it seems more that they add to the destructive elements of alcohol and narcotics. The REAL harm of illegal drugs to MOST (not all) people who use them is going to jail or prison for it. So it is circular logic to the government claiming drugs harm you, when for most the greatest harm is the done by the government.
 
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Cool story, bro. Let me know how they turn out! :thumbs:

I'm just pointing out that the fact it is legal or not has no impact. If people want it they will get them. It just like guns: if a criminal wants a gun he's going to get it. If a kid wants pot he's going to get it. Kids get cigs and alcohol, i don't see you advocating the banning of them. What makes pot different?
 
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I'm just pointing out that the fact it is legal or not has no impact. If people want it they will get them. It just like guns: if a criminal wants a gun he's going to get it. If a kid wants pot he's going to get it. Kids get cigs and alcohol, i don't see you advocating the banning of them. What makes pot different?

Interesting talk on drugs.Rodrigo Canales: The deadly genius of drug cartels | Video on TED.com
 
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Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:

The alcohol of choice in schools has been vodka. Guess we should go with prohibition again huh?
 
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Wow, I guess after 10 years you would really have the slogans down pat. I bet you could recite them for pages.

Have you SEEN how FAT people are getting, seen all the unlimited food in WalMart stores, and the massive personal and economic harm obesity causes?

Did you know that SALT is the cause of 1 of 10 deaths, yet no one has lifted a finger to stop those salt-dealers - from grocery stories to restaurants?

You should spend some time in hospitals to see what unlimited free choice of food and unlimited salt is doing to people. Then you could see it FIRST HAND - and come up with some good slogans about that too.

It's not a valid comparison because salt and food are actually critical to human survival and pot is not.
 
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Here is what I get, but seems to pass over the heads of... well.. the heads... this huge push to legalize pot, and then the Michelle Obama's and Bloomberg's getting their gonch in a wad over salt, trans fat, soda etc.

Hey... I'm a Conservative, and I tellya what. Smoke all the weed you want, but leave me and my soda, salt and whatever else alone. Please, just **** off and get out of my life. Fair trade?


The problem is I will not be left alone by the potheads. From the added costs to education to the large number that go on to leech off of society you can't be left alone. If there were some way to force tax paying potheads to foot the entire bill for all of the welfare collecting potheads I might be in favor of legalization.
 
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The alcohol of choice in schools has been vodka. Guess we should go with prohibition again huh?

Drinking is also a big problem in school, true. Why are you in a race to exacerbate another?
 
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The problem is I will not be left alone by the potheads. From the added costs to education to the large number that go on to leech off of society you can't be left alone. If there were some way to force tax paying potheads to foot the entire bill for all of the welfare collecting potheads I might be in favor of legalization.

I was going to bring up the additional costs and that if they footed them on their own, as they should... that'd be fine... but you know what would happen? The Socialists would slowly erase all the previously made agreements because they're dishonest. It's how they are, it's how they operate, it's what they do. They can't help themselves.

Pot will become a bigger problem as vaporizers get cheaper.
 
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The alcohol of choice in schools has been vodka. Guess we should go with prohibition again huh?

There are laws for the use and abuse of alcohol. Individuals should pay for their use and abuse personally.
 
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Drinking is also a big problem in school, true. Why are you in a race to exacerbate another?

You know that whole freedom of choice things with adults. It's silly to make something illegal for adults because you're afraid kids will use it.
 
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There are laws for the use and abuse of alcohol. Individuals should pay for their use and abuse personally.

Exactly, so making pot illegal is just plain silly.
 
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The problem is I will not be left alone by the potheads. From the added costs to education to the large number that go on to leech off of society you can't be left alone. If there were some way to force tax paying potheads to foot the entire bill for all of the welfare collecting potheads I might be in favor of legalization.

So you're against nicotine and alcohol then too, yes?
 
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So you're against nicotine and alcohol then too, yes?

And I assume you support legalizing krocodil?
 
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