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jmotivator said:
Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.
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Not really solid proof here.
 
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Surtr said:
That's shocking? I remember buying my first dime in jr high from another student. Dude had a ton of dope in his backpack every day, individually wrapped baggies and pre rolled joints. By the time I got to high school, kids went from selling pot and adderall pills, to cocaine and oxycontins. And this is in Texas, where they don't go soft on drug crime at all, let alone stand to legalize pot in the next century. Seriously, if this cop is legitimately shocked by kids having HP's of dope, I have to wonder what the hell he's been doing, because public schools and drugs go hand in hand.
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sheets of blotter acid (LSD) back in my time, same thing though.

Can't petend this stuff doesn't exist. Better to bring it out in the open. "Hey kids -don't smoke cigarettes, or for that matter weed"
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Pot usage, even among teens, has been increasing dramatically over the past 40 years in every state. You need data showing the rate of teenagers who use pot compared to other states during the same time period.

A "Oh yeah this one guy says it totally seems like more" is not 'proving' jack ****.

We on the other hand actually have data that shows countries who have legal/easier-access to pot have lower rates of teenage use. What the hell do you have?
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It's more than just the one story.

Your statistics aren't significant that show a decrease in teen useage. Moreover, the teen usage statistics are collected on teens in school, so the statistics you cite that show a decline are actually catching the signal of the higher expulsion rate.

Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.

But you know, don't listen to the police and the teachers and the doctors... we need to be listening to the studies created and presented by the pot lobby. :roll:
 
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jmotivator said:
Yes, you had your first toke early. Hooray for you. In Colorado we are seeing MORE pot in school because of the law. It isn't shocking, it just happens to be what many opponents said would happen when pot was legalized.
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Please refer, once again:

Actually, regulating the drug introduces product and age controls in what is currently a black market that is much more accessible to minors and completely uncontrolled.

So other than this one shabby article, where is the evidence that pot use is increasing among children as a result of this law?
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jmotivator said:
Do you have statistics on this? Has drinking become boring to high schoolers?

And Netherlands is currently rethinking its marijuana laws because of the detrimental effect it is having on there country. Turns out potheads aren't such a great element even when smoking legally. Again, who knew?!
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Umm, no

They actually passed laws restricting the sale of marijuana in "coffee shops" to residents only but every city has refused to enforce it because the citizens and mayors refuse to go along with the right wing religious kooks who pushed for the restriction.
 
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pot prohibition is still a massive failure, and legalization is the better choice. i tend to be skeptical of any reefer madness type articles. drug dealers don't card; legitimate marijuana retailers do, and drug dealers will be selling about as much pot as they do alcohol.

eventually, it will be legal nationwide, and we'll stop wasting money and ruining people's lives over simple possession. this will piss off a lot of prohibitionists, but we tried it their way for like 80 years, and it didn't work.
 
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LOL at all the pot heads looking for anything to excuse a big problem. No different than Obamadon'tcare.
 
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sangha said:
Umm, no

They actually passed laws restricting the sale of marijuana in "coffee shops" to residents only but every city has refused to enforce it because the citizens and mayors refuse to go along with the right wing religious kooks who pushed for the restriction.
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Which of course is a lie. Rotterdam is in the process of severely limiting marijuana cafes, closing all cafe that were close to schools (hmmm... wonder why?), likewise in many other towns where the Dutch policy of encapsulation has been unable to stem the spread of drug crimes.

Marijuana use has always been illegal in the Netherlands, but their "tolerance" policy that didn't enforce the law when transactions were below a certain amount hasn't really turned out super great for them, and since 2009 the will to enforce the existing laws (and pass new ones) is growing.
 
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What I see when it comes to the topic of pot legalization is that a lot of people always want to argue that "pot isn't as popular as it used to be" and "people are jumping on the band wagon, increased use is a knee-jerk response to something being now legal (which will taper off)"

Do people realize that these two points contradict?

It was losing popularity when it was illegal.
Now it's gaining popularity because it's legal.

Why would something taper off after it's legalized? Where does that logic come from - that makes no sense.

People WANT to legalize it so they can USE it, right? It's silly to say that people won't actually USE it after all that effort. That's the POINT. The point was to make it more available so it was legal to USE.

If people would just stop pretending that this isn't how things go when any product is made legal I'd appreciate it.
 
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Helix said:
pot prohibition is still a massive failure, and legalization is the better choice. i tend to be skeptical of any reefer madness type articles. drug dealers don't card; legitimate marijuana retailers do, and drug dealers will be selling about as much pot as they do alcohol.

eventually, it will be legal nationwide, and we'll stop wasting money and ruining people's lives over simple possession. this will piss off a lot of prohibitionists, but we tried it their way for like 80 years, and it didn't work.
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All the change means is that the dealer can conceivably get the pot they are selling legally. The spike in drug related suspensions in Colorado schools indicate that marijuana is now more prevalent than it was before in schools.

Of course, the second side effect of the idiotic pro-intoxication pro-brain-numbing argument is that a record number of teens today think smoking pot is harmless. So big thumbs up to the cannabis lobby for making American children less educated!
 
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It is hard to get excited about something that less addictive than caffeine and less lethal than smoking cigarettes or drinking booze.
 
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jmotivator said:
Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.
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It's simple--make the stuff illegal and kids will quit using it. Not rocket science.
 
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Surtr said:
That's shocking? I remember buying my first dime in jr high from another student. Dude had a ton of dope in his backpack every day, individually wrapped baggies and pre rolled joints. By the time I got to high school, kids went from selling pot and adderall pills, to cocaine and oxycontins. And this is in Texas, where they don't go soft on drug crime at all, let alone stand to legalize pot in the next century. Seriously, if this cop is legitimately shocked by kids having HP's of dope, I have to wonder what the hell he's been doing, because public schools and drugs go hand in hand.
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Also I should point out that since you are someone who started smoking marijuana in school, you were likely in a position to hang around with the other drug users in school. I think your point of reference is skewed. Somehow I went all the way through highschool in the 80s without exposure to the dropout culture.
 
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jmotivator said:
Or "Hmmmm... what can I do to keep these douchebags from interfering with the rest of my students ability to learn... I know, EXPEL THEM!"
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Sometimes teachers who are not very good at teaching blame the problem on the behavior of the class instead of taking responsibility as the teacher.
 
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Licensed distribution does not take effect until Dec. 1 2013 (this is when they will start issuing licenses for distribution). What we have now is a situation of quasi-legalization.. actually decriminalization where the black market still has control over distribution, only now they face no penalties for possession of up to 8 oz. This spike comes as no surprise, there is significantly less risk for dealing right now, and there is no alternative distribution established.

Provided that the pricing is done with an eye to minimize black market distribution, I expect to see this trend to head downwards after controls are in place. Right now it is a free for all with the black market "hashing" out their sales before the profitability potentially drops out from under them.

Lets see what the trends are here in a year or two regarding availability and usage by minors, then we can talk.
 
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Henry David said:
It's simple--make the stuff illegal and kids will quit using it. Not rocket science.
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Well, obviously no, there will always be a group of kids who do drugs because they are ignorant, stupid or both. The overarching effect of the propaganda being spewed by the marihuana lobby, however, is that kids are believing in greater and greater numbers that pot is some miracle medicine with no harmful side effects.

Back when the argument was for "medical marijuana" there were a string of drugs that were created that isolated the active medicinal compound in marijuana that were not habit forming and non-intoxicating... as well and non-carcinogenic etc. etc. ... was that enough to quiet the "Medical Marijuana" crowd? Of course not. Because, as Aunt Spiker pointed out, the end result desired by the "Medical Marijuana" lobby is to be able to smoke dope, that's it. They were just using sick people as a cynical end game for their own personal desire to get baked.

The end result is kids who think pot is no big deal.
 
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jmotivator said:
All the change means is that the dealer can conceivably get the pot they are selling legally. The spike in drug related suspensions in Colorado schools indicate that marijuana is now more prevalent than it was before in schools.

Of course, the second side effect of the idiotic pro-intoxication pro-brain-numbing argument is that a record number of teens today think smoking pot is harmless. So big thumbs up to the cannabis lobby for making American children less educated!
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lol. i don't know how it is where you live, but the drug dealers around here aren't selling beer, wine, or whiskey.
 
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Blue_State said:
It is hard to get excited about something that less addictive than caffeine and less lethal than smoking cigarettes or drinking booze.
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use a vaporizer. Otherwise one gets tars, hot gasses, particuralates.
Also weed is sucked deep into the lungs (bronchial tubes).

I smoked from '68 to '99, no damage. I figured that was enough for myself. I'm not sick, and the recreational use does impare mental clarity.
( not too badly, but it does).

If I ever need it for medical reason, will try edibles.
I was pretty young when I started, managed to do OK in school, but surely would have done better without it.

Young minds do not need to be using.
 
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Texmex said:
Sometimes teachers who are not very good at teaching blame the problem on the behavior of the class instead of taking responsibility as the teacher.
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Hah, blame the teachers not the pot dealers and smokers. Winning angle you have taken there. Run with it.
 
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This law has reduced the competition for my kids tremendously. Soon, half the nation's youth will be in a constance trance, while other kids ride roughshod over them.

Hell, legalize it all. It'll get rid of half the population.
 
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jmotivator said:
All the change means is that the dealer can conceivably get the pot they are selling legally. The spike in drug related suspensions in Colorado schools indicate that marijuana is now more prevalent than it was before in schools.

Of course, the second side effect of the idiotic pro-intoxication pro-brain-numbing argument is that a record number of teens today think smoking pot is harmless. So big thumbs up to the cannabis lobby for making American children less educated!
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Most of the pot heads will have a hard time understanding that article. It just won't make any sense to them or the ones that graduated from just using pot to bigger and better drugs.
 
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jmotivator said:
Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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This is why it's good to let the States enact new laws that are controversial and allow them to try to make them work, so that the US at large can watch and use what it learns in the future.
 
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jmotivator said:
Well, obviously no, there will always be a group of kids who do drugs because they are ignorant, stupid or both. The overarching effect of the propaganda being spewed by the marihuana lobby, however, is that kids are believing in greater and greater numbers that pot is some miracle medicine with no harmful side effects.

Back when the argument was for "medical marijuana" there were a string of drugs that were created that isolated the active medicinal compound in marijuana that were not habit forming and non-intoxicating... as well and non-carcinogenic etc. etc. ... was that enough to quiet the "Medical Marijuana" crowd? Of course not. Because, as Aunt Spiker pointed out, the end result desired by the "Medical Marijuana" lobby is to be able to smoke dope, that's it. They were just using sick people as a cynical end game for their own personal desire to baked.

The end result is kids who think pot is no big deal.
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OMG, it almost sounds like you're advocating for the welfare of humanity!?!
 
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Helix said:
lol. i don't know how it is where you live, but the drug dealers around here aren't selling beer, wine, or whiskey.
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Maybe I am going out on a limb, but standing on a street corner with a few ounces of marijuana in your pockets is a little less conspicuous than standing on the street corner surrounded by cases on Budweiser. But maybe that is just me....

But then drinking is also very prevalent in schools, far more common than pot, because it is easier to obtain than pot. Solution: Make pot easier to obtain! (pro tip: not a super smart strategy).
 
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Erod said:
This law has reduced the competition for my kids tremendously. Soon, half the nation's youth will be in a constance trance, while other kids ride roughshod over them.

Hell, legalize it all. It'll get rid of half the population.
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Well, that is true. But the extra success our children see will eventually be taxed away from them to pay for the stupid kids who spent their youth rotting their brain.
 
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