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Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

I hear you, but the fact remains-the performance in public schools is piss poor. If teachers were raising scores I wouldnt have as much of a problem, but as it is, teachers claim the problems are because of issues at home (meaning its not a school issue that can be corrected), or because of the test-again without a suitable alternative.

In the mean time, students in private schools (the same ones more public school teachers send their kids to) and home schooling continues to outperform public schools.

Evidence that public school performance is "piss poor".

I've got evidence to prove you otherwise: The 2009 PISA testing administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 60 countries determined U.S. students ranking 14th in reading. The U.S. average score was 500 and the average of all countries assessed was 493. Dr. Gerald N. Tirozzi, executive director of the National Association of Secondary School Principals, did an analysis of the performance of U.S. students based on the prevalence of poverty in the student body of their respective schools determined by rate of free and reduced lunch participation. The overall poverty rate in U.S. schools was established at 21.7 percent, highest of any of the countries tested.

Tirozzi determined that the average PISA reading score for students in U.S. schools with less than 10 percent student poverty was 551, ranking first compared to the 10 countries with similar poverty numbers. Ruling out the factor of poverty, U.S. educators produce the highest-achieving students of any country in the world.

The same ranking held for U.S. schools with 10 to 24.9 percent poverty. Remarkably, this group’s average, 527, was higher than the scores of any of the other PISA countries except Korea and Finland.

U.S. schools with poverty rates between 25 and 49.9 percent (far exceeding any other country tested) scored an average of 502, still in the upper half of all the countries tested.

In U.S. schools with 50 to 74.9 percent students in poverty, the average PISA score was 471. Students in schools with poverty greater than 75 percent scored 446, outperforming only Mexico. The achievement gap is not a factor of the caliber of leadership and instruction in the U.S. public school system. It reflects the high poverty rates that cluster in the most under-resourced schools in our country. The Principal Difference: A School Leadership Blog by Mel Riddile: PISA: It's Poverty Not Stupid

Private schools do not deal with the same issues public schools deal with so it is not a fair comparison.
 
There is no doubt that you want to get into the classroom. That is where you can manipulate the general population the easiest. The democrats know this all to well, along with their union teachers.
 
Same drivel different poster.

i agree
no matter that many of the kids in the teacher's classroom thrive
that could not be because she is a good teacher
but when some struggle, the knee jerk (emphasis on jerk) response is 'the teacher is bad', no matter if the kid has weak aptitude and/or other innate barriers to learning
 
i agree
no matter that many of the kids in the teacher's classroom thrive
that could not be because she is a good teacher
but when some struggle, the knee jerk (emphasis on jerk) response is 'the teacher is bad', no matter if the kid has weak aptitude and/or other innate barriers to learning

the kids with difficulty should be isolated, why should the kids there to learn have to suffer? Would you volunteer your child for that classroom?
 
the kids with difficulty should be isolated, why should the kids there to learn have to suffer? Would you volunteer your child for that classroom?

i agree. they should be ability grouped
so, why are you blaming the teachers?
 
i agree. they should be ability grouped
so, why are you blaming the teachers?

As stated, the problem is multifactorial. There is active resistance here to ability grouping, teachers claim being around kids who know how to learn and behave is helpful to those trouble kids-I dont know about that but even if true-how is that fair to the other kids?

What happens when kids are ability grouped and they tend to have more of certain minority ethnicities? Or english as a second language kids? Then it will be said that ability grouping punishes minorities, etc.

This is how it is here in california.
 
As stated, the problem is multifactorial. There is active resistance here to ability grouping, teachers claim being around kids who know how to learn and behave is helpful to those trouble kids-I dont know about that but even if true-how is that fair to the other kids?

What happens when kids are ability grouped and they tend to have more of certain minority ethnicities? Or english as a second language kids? Then it will be said that ability grouping punishes minorities, etc.

This is how it is here in california.

i know of no teachers who are opposed to ability grouping in class rooms


so, why continue to blame them for circumstances beyond their control?
 
i know of no teachers who are opposed to ability grouping in class rooms


so, why continue to blame them for circumstances beyond their control?

I know several, most of whom are elementary school teachers here in California. I certainly didnt make up that excuse. :)

They also say the problem with ability grouping classes is one teacher may get stuck with more of these kids, meaning they get lower assessment scores. :) Our "caring" teachers at work. BTW-each kid brings in about 16K/year here in california-and our scores STILL suck.
 
i know of no teachers who are opposed to ability grouping in class rooms


so, why continue to blame them for circumstances beyond their control?

It's a freaking mindless slogan.

Any and every problem must be blamed on the teachers.
 
I know several, most of whom are elementary school teachers here in California. I certainly didnt make up that excuse. :)

They also say the problem with ability grouping classes is one teacher may get stuck with more of these kids, meaning they get lower assessment scores. :)

Hmmm, and that isn't a valid "excuse"?
 
It's a freaking mindless slogan.

Any and every problem must be blamed on the teachers.

Generally the problem isn't funding. Very little can be done about what happens at home. And teachers are defending mediocrity while actively fighting objective standards and alternative venues that dramatically outperform public schools.

Face it-decades of our socialized education system has resulted in a poor product, govt incompetence, and all of the typical govt worker/union mediocrity you could want.
 
The teacher isnt a student advocate. They are now a teacher advocate. Thats fine-just dont pretend otherwise.

The system has set itself up to punish teachers not to advocate for students that have learning problems. That is not the way to create a good environment for learning for either teacher or student.
 
The system has set itself up to punish teachers not to advocate for students that have learning problems. That is not the way to create a good environment for learning for either teacher or student.

I hear you but you offer no alternatives. Teachers oppose testing. They oppose private school/vouchers/home schooling. They always ask for more funding but state the problems are beyond their control.

I think we both recognize it does not work. Whats your suggestion?
 
I hear you but you offer no alternatives. Teachers oppose testing. They oppose private school/vouchers/home schooling. They always ask for more funding but state the problems are beyond their control.

I think we both recognize it does not work. Whats your suggestion?

This thread has as little to do with your issues with teachers as it does with your issues with unions.

Please stop trying to derail the thread
 
Right. This doesn't do much to dispell those leftist tendencies teachers are known for.

What exactly is that suppose to mean? High stake testing is a corporate edict. That set up has not made for a constructive environment for learning. It doesn't address how students learn at different rates and have different abilities. Rather, it addresses children as some kind of commodity that should perform in standard unison. It's pitiful.
 
What exactly is that suppose to mean? High stake testing is a corporate edict. That set up has not made for a constructive environment for learning. It doesn't address how students learn at different rates and have different abilities. Rather, it addresses children as some kind of commodity that should perform in standard unison. It's pitiful.

So you are blaming corporatism for this? How EXACTLY?
 
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