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Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

reinoe said:
I get the impression that the people who are most opposed to the Common Core are from the states with the lowest test scores. We know what the result would be if the education system of red states like Mississippi or Louisiana had to compete against Vermont or New Hampshire. It would be embarrassing. And that's really what it's all about. People in The South don't want to be further embarrassed.
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Nope. I'm from MA.
 
reinoe said:
I get the impression that the people who are most opposed to the Common Core are from the states with the lowest test scores. We know what the result would be if the education system of red states like Mississippi or Louisiana had to compete against Vermont or New Hampshire. It would be embarrassing. And that's really what it's all about. People in The South don't want to be further embarrassed.
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Nope. I'm from MA.
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And I'm not from the south either.
 
Josie said:
Okay, Gina. You're upset because she has strong opinions about the people who started and funded the Common Core movement.... okaaaaay... I can't say I really care about that so much.... you'll have to take that up with her.
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But you posted the video as some kind of authority as to the history of CC. I'm questioning that authority. Laced as it is with fringe red herrings. To me that diminishes any serious consideration I might give her opinions or the authority she claims in making such a video.

I'm also not upset in the least. I've calmly and cooly addressed those points to which I have taken exception. The greatest of which is the idea that intention of CC is to narrow the curriculum and prepare our children to be cogs in a national industrial system rather than full citizens in a free republic. That's pretty wild stuff. So I'm taking it up with you since you posted it.
 
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What you have a problem with in the video are opinions, Gina. And, again, they are HER opinions. The video series contains lots of FACTS as well, so would you like to discuss those or just keep complaining about her opinions?
 
So all these people pissing and moaning about the Common Core; have they contacted their congressmen to repeal NCLB?
 
reinoe said:
So all these people pissing and moaning about the Common Core; have they contacted their congressmen to repeal NCLB?
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Did you?
 
Josie said:
What you have a problem with in the video are opinions, Gina. And, again, they are HER opinions. The video series contains lots of FACTS as well, so would you like to discuss those or just keep complaining about her opinions?
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Her opinions are bring presented as facts. Because The Gates Foundation, the National Governors Association and Bill Ayers (among others) are conspiring to take away parental and states rights to decide how our children are educated. That is the genesis of her facts.

You on the other hand, wrote a terrific passage on your personal objections that I would give far more consideration. This video just clouds the issue.
 
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Josie said:
What you have a problem with in the video are opinions, Gina. And, again, they are HER opinions. The video series contains lots of FACTS as well, so would you like to discuss those or just keep complaining about her opinions?
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But those opinions are her argument.

It's all she has..."facts" like Bill Ayers is involved.....The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation....
 
reinoe said:
So all these people pissing and moaning about the Common Core; have they contacted their congressmen to repeal NCLB?
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"Pissing and moaning? Lovely:roll: I am quite vocal and active on the state level to make sure my voice is heard.
 
Josie said:
Did you?
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Yes, as I am an individual who practices what he preaches. Did you contact your representative or did you put on your tinfoil hat and waive a bunch of signs about evils of Bill and Melinda Gates?
 
Gina said:
Her opinions are bring presented as facts. Because The Gates Foundation, the National Governors Association and Bill Ayers (among others) are conspiring to take away parental and states rights to decide how our children are educated. That us the genesis of her facts.
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They aren't conspiring - they're contributing to it. You're muddling the issue here. The real issue isn't who started Common Core or who funded it, the issue is the fact that parents, teachers, school boards, states cannot change the Common Core standards in any way. Are you saying you dispute that fact?
 
reinoe said:
Yes, as I am an individual who practices what he preaches. Did you contact your representative or did you put on your tinfoil hat and waive a bunch of signs about evils of Bill and Melinda Gates?
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So you're calling your reps about Common Core too, right?
 
Josie said:
So you're calling your reps about Common Core too, right?
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Not yet. I can't say I care as much about this. Trust me, if I'm riled up enough to start posting videos on youtube about how Bill and Melinda Gates are conspiring to teach our children the evils of science, I'll also be contacting my representatives.
 
reinoe said:
Not yet. I can't say I care as much about this. .
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Ahhh, I see. So you're one of the hypocrites you were just chastising others for being. Gotcha.
 
Josie said:
They aren't conspiring - they're contributing to it. You're muddling the issue here. The real issue isn't who started Common Core or who funded it, the issue is the fact that parents, teachers, school boards, states cannot change the Common Core standards in any way. Are you saying you dispute that fact?
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In many ways it does have to do with who started and funded the effort. It bothers me personally that the public was fed misinformation that classroom teachers helped design them when in fact we had some say after the fact so no we didn't have a hand in the design. Again, I wonder how many teachers in third grade would agree having students read several perspective of a topic and critique the differences in POV of each author in composition form??? If they can't pull all these skills together they are deemed below the standard.
 
Josie said:
They aren't conspiring - they're contributing to it. You're muddling the issue here. The real issue isn't who started Common Core or who funded it, the issue is the fact that parents, teachers, school boards, states cannot change the Common Core standards in any way. Are you saying you dispute that fact?
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Her presentation is all on about a conspiracy. A conspiracy put forth by THAT Bill Ayers. I'm questioning her and the posting of that video as an authority on the subject. She puts forth a timeline concocted to push CC through states in an underhanded manner.

Also the same could be said about NCLB. If states wished to keep receiving Federal funding, the had to jump through those hoops. There was no opt out by states,districts and parents, until
the Obama administration permitted opt out of NCLB.
 
Josie said:
They aren't conspiring - they're contributing to it. You're muddling the issue here. The real issue isn't who started Common Core or who funded it, the issue is the fact that parents, teachers, school boards, states cannot change the Common Core standards in any way. Are you saying you dispute that fact?
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No, you're muddling what she said. She said that they, along with the DC establishment, are foisting the standards on the states.

She says "this effort of progressive education (*air quotes*) reformers...with lavish funding from...Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They realized the need to make this look like a state-generated initiative..." and the paranoia continues from there

And yes, I dispute your "fact". States can drop out of CC if they choose to do so. They just will not continue to get the CC grants from the feds anymore, but the curriculum is decided by the state
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
In many ways it does have to do with who started and funded the effort. It bothers me personally that the public was fed misinformation that classroom teachers helped design them when in fact we had some say after the fact so no we didn't have a hand in the design. Again, I wonder how many teachers in third grade would agree having students read several perspective of a topic and critique the differences in POV of each author in composition form??? If they can't pull all these skills together they are deemed below the standard.
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I taught 3rd grade and you're right - that is a high bar to climb for a 9 year old.

I'm teaching 1st grade now and I was totally appalled by the crappy math Common Core standards. They removed counting money --- using a ruler --- telling time to the half hour ---- I was just shocked.
 
Gina said:
Her presentation is all on about a conspiracy. A conspiracy put forth by THAT Bill Ayers. I'm questioning her and the posting of that video as an authority on the subject. She puts forth a timeline concocted to push CC through states in an underhanded manner.

Also the same could be said about NCLB. If states wished to keep receiving Federal funding, the had to jump through those hoops. There was no opt out by states,districts and parents, until
the Obama administration permitted opt out of NCLB.
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So you have no disputes with the actual facts in the videos, just her opinions. I guess we'll leave that there then.
 
Josie said:
So you have no disputes with the actual facts in the videos, just her opinions. I guess we'll leave that there then.
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The actual "facts" she recites have nothing to do with how the standards will affect the classroom and student performance.
 
Josie said:
So you have no disputes with the actual facts in the videos, just her opinions. I guess we'll leave that there then.
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Please present the facts as you see them.
 
Josie said:
I taught 3rd grade and you're right - that is a high bar to climb for a 9 year old.

I'm teaching 1st grade now and I was totally appalled by the crappy math Common Core standards. They removed counting money --- using a ruler --- telling time to the half hour ---- I was just shocked.
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Yes. I too have concerns with the math standards. One of the things that bothered me was the fact that children have to construct in writing a step by step process of how they arrived at an answer. Just putting the correct answer isn't enough and they would lose points. That off that bat lowers math scores for children who may have trouble verbalizing each step and then writing them. I have a boy in my room who is a math whiz but has a hard time with language skills. It doesn't seem fair he may show up as not proficient in math for a weakness in his language skills.
 
Gina said:
Please present the facts as you see them.
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I just did (parents, admins, school boards, teachers cannot change anything in CCSS even if they know it's not an appropriate standard). You didn't dispute it. I'm not going to go through the entire video series tonight and post all the facts for you. Maybe you could post one that you're unsure if it's true and we can research it.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes. I too have concerns with the math standards. One of the things that bothered me was the fact that children have to construct in writing a step by step process of how they arrived at an answer. Just putting the correct answer isn't enough and they would lose points. That off that bat lowers math scores for children who may have trouble verbalizing each step and then writing them. I have a boy in my room who is a math whiz but has a hard time with language skills. It doesn't seem fair he may show up as not proficient in math for a weakness in his language skills.
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Yep. I totally agree.
 
At our last inservice, we were slammed with the job of creating a rubric for every. single. subcategory. on the CCSS report card. Each subject has about 5-6 subcategories - so that's Reading, Writing, Spelling, Grammar, Math, Science, Social Studies, Behavior ----- 8 subjects x 5 = 40 rubrics. Kill me now.
 
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