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Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate panel

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Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate panel | Fox News

WASHINGTON – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted Wednesday that it was possible convicted felons could be hired as ObamaCare ‘navigators,’ giving them access to personal information like Social Security numbers and addresses of anyone signing up for the program.

Cornyn pressed, “So a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information from an individual unbeknownst to them?”

Sebelius answered, “This is possible.”

No background checks for people with access to Social Security numbers and other personal information?

Hope none of you have signed up yet. As if you could have.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Are you aware that prisoners (i.e. cheap labor) are use to telemarket? They also get information and credit card numbers. Presumably they are closely supervised and thus are given a chance to help pay their upkeep and hopefully prepare them for a crime-free life.

On the surface, this may look inappropriate. But in reality, it's a reasonable, cost-effective strategy. There are plenty of criminals out there that haven't been caught that access information. At least we know where to find these guys.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felons need jobs too.

Indeed - and they get to keep their health insurance plan too - right from the government prison plan to the government employee plan - Obama has to keep his promise to at least some, doesn't he?
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Really, for cost effectiveness, Obamacare paperwork should be done in prisons to put those criminals to work for their keep.

But a better idea would be to farm it out to India, Eastern Europe and Nigeria.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Are you aware that prisoners (i.e. cheap labor) are use to telemarket? They also get information and credit card numbers. Presumably they are closely supervised and thus are given a chance to help pay their upkeep and hopefully prepare them for a crime-free life.

On the surface, this may look inappropriate. But in reality, it's a reasonable, cost-effective strategy. There are plenty of criminals out there that haven't been caught that access information. At least we know where to find these guys.

I missed that - so these are still incarcerated felons, not the on the street felons. Is this one of the "lowering costs of healthcare" selling points that Obama was touting? "Our navigators only get paid $6 a day", reducing the administration/overhead costs of these exchanges - brilliant!!
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

I missed that - so these are still incarcerated felons, not the on the street felons. Is this one of the "lowering costs of healthcare" selling points that Obama was touting? "Our navigators only get paid $6 a day", reducing the administration/overhead costs of these exchanges - brilliant!!

I don't have a problem with it. It's nice to see some economic efficiency in the government.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

I don't have a problem with it. It's nice to see some economic efficiency in the government.

Perhaps Bernie Madoff can handle the actuarials.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

I don't have a problem with it. It's nice to see some economic efficiency in the government.

Just wait - some liberal and/or the SEIU is going to demand if they're working for the government they must be paid to union scale.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Are you aware that prisoners (i.e. cheap labor) are use to telemarket? They also get information and credit card numbers. Presumably they are closely supervised and thus are given a chance to help pay their upkeep and hopefully prepare them for a crime-free life.

On the surface, this may look inappropriate. But in reality, it's a reasonable, cost-effective strategy. There are plenty of criminals out there that haven't been caught that access information. At least we know where to find these guys.

Giving felons your SS number is in another league than your credit card number.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate panel | Fox News

No background checks for people with access to Social Security numbers and other personal information?

Hope none of you have signed up yet. As if you could have.

There are many felons that are one-timers. Did something enormously stupid, and are serving their time.

Why would this be any different then giving the information to some bloke you've never met before?
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Indeed - and they get to keep their health insurance plan too - right from the government prison plan to the government employee plan - Obama has to keep his promise to at least some, doesn't he?

Yup....so what? You want to say they've had the life cause they got health insurance in prison? Or claim Tue don't deserve it at their job even though that's where many of us get our primary insurance from?

Saying "felons got a job" without explaining what the felony is or how it negatively impacts their ability to do the job is nothing more than emotional deflection. I consider only rational arguments.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate panel | Fox News





No background checks for people with access to Social Security numbers and other personal information?

Hope none of you have signed up yet. As if you could have.

Not every felon is a thief and not every thief is necessarily smart enough to pull off an identity theft with access to that information because Crack is Whack, man.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

In the article, it explains that the background checks are not a requirement written into the federal law. But each state, who is in charge of hiring these people and writing the policies, can make it a requirement. And since the state has it in their best interest to create a good system, I'm assuming they will require background checks for any employee privy to personal information.

The title is misleading. What she really said is that the federal law doesn't require background checks for "navigators."

Frankly, the much bigger issue is the possibility of hackers getting your personal information. If you have a credit card, or do online banking (I'm sure there are other scenarios in addition to these) then your information could always be stolen. Being worried about a felon stealing your information as opposed to a hacker seems absurd. I work in a field where people have access to social security numbers and other sensitive information, and let me tell you -- anybody can steal your information. It's usually the ones you wouldn't expect. Anyway I don't care. That's what I'm saying. I really don't care. I'm worried about the health care law because I see that a lot of people are having to pay more. I'm hopeful but worried and I really don't care about this.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate panel | Fox News





No background checks for people with access to Social Security numbers and other personal information?

Hope none of you have signed up yet. As if you could have.

It's just more "redistribution" that Obama didn't tell people about. Come'on. Somebody that did a five or ten year stretch was out of the loop for awhile and probably needs a cash advancement. It wouldn't be fair for him to not have what working people have.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Not every felon is a thief and not every thief is necessarily smart enough to pull off an identity theft with access to that information because Crack is Whack, man.

Have you ever tried to put a fire out with gas?
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Have you ever tried to put a fire out with gas?

As a matter of fact, no; as a matter of allegory, yes.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Yup....so what? You want to say they've had the life cause they got health insurance in prison? Or claim Tue don't deserve it at their job even though that's where many of us get our primary insurance from?

Saying "felons got a job" without explaining what the felony is or how it negatively impacts their ability to do the job is nothing more than emotional deflection. I consider only rational arguments.

Gee - nice display of fetid hot air. I'm feeling duly chastised by your superior view of your own intellect.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

In the article, it explains that the background checks are not a requirement written into the federal law. But each state, who is in charge of hiring these people and writing the policies, can make it a requirement. And since the state has it in their best interest to create a good system, I'm assuming they will require background checks for any employee privy to personal information.

The title is misleading. What she really said is that the federal law doesn't require background checks for "navigators."

Frankly, the much bigger issue is the possibility of hackers getting your personal information. If you have a credit card, or do online banking (I'm sure there are other scenarios in addition to these) then your information could always be stolen. Being worried about a felon stealing your information as opposed to a hacker seems absurd. I work in a field where people have access to social security numbers and other sensitive information, and let me tell you -- anybody can steal your information. It's usually the ones you wouldn't expect. Anyway I don't care. That's what I'm saying. I really don't care. I'm worried about the health care law because I see that a lot of people are having to pay more. I'm hopeful but worried and I really don't care about this.

Just semantics, but isn't a "hacker" just a felon who hasn't yet been caught?
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Gee - nice display of fetid hot air. I'm feeling duly chastised by your superior view of your own intellect.

Those were just facts. Get upset at reality all you want, you won't change it.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felon having my personal info vs health care industry?


Honestly?


Which is worse?
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Just semantics, but isn't a "hacker" just a felon who hasn't yet been caught?

I say the same thing about politicians. Just a criminal that hasn't been caught yet.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Perhaps Bernie Madoff can handle the actuarials.

Yes. He probably could. He may be a crook but he's probably pretty smart and could pay back a little. Remember, he's not a violent criminal. He marketed greed and found plenty of takers. So, yes, he belongs in poriuson but he might as well do something productive while we feed, clothe and medical him.

Just wait - some liberal and/or the SEIU is going to demand if they're working for the government they must be paid to union scale.

I believe there is a minimum wage for prisoners. I can't recall what it is but it was less than $1 an hour. I'm a victim of the USA Capital fraud and my guy is serving 11 years. I hope to recover a few dollars at the end of his sentence. Pathetically little but better than zero.

Giving felons your SS number is in another league than your credit card number.
How many times a year do you give out your SS number at medical and government and credit card operations? Do you think everyone at these places is 100% honest? Do you not read about how hackers have compromised many accounts? Let me put it this way. I'll give you my SS number for a week and you give me your credit card details. Who will profit more?

Please don't misunderstand. Nobody wants to give info to a bad guy but these guys are tightly supervised and your doctors secretary (or Kevin Mitnick) are less so.
 
Re: Felons could have been hired as ObamaCare 'navigators,' Sebelius tells Senate pan

Felons need jobs too.

breaking rocks in the hot sun
they fought the law and the law won
 
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