• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama's health promises backfire

zimmer

Educating the Ignorant
Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 19, 2008
Messages
24,380
Reaction score
7,805
Location
Worldwide
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
Health insurers will terminate coverage for up to 250,000 Pennsylvanians as Obamacare unfolds with a troubled website that has prevented many from enrolling in plans online, the state Insurance commissioner said.

“It's a Kafkaesque nightmare,” said Michael Consedine, the state's chief insurance regulator.


Such cancellations are occurring nationwide, despite “promises that were made” by President Obama that people could keep plans rather than change them, Consedine said.

Obama's aides would not speak to the Trib with their names used for this story.


“I'm hearing prices are going up, and benefits are going down,” said Loussedes of the national agents' group.


Obama's aids would not speak with the Trib (because they wanted to ask some questions), instead the got an email titled "To Team Pravda" and the content goes like this:

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay...
My, oh my what a wonderful day!
It's the truth, it's actch'll
Ev'rything is satisfactch'll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!
 
Obama's aids would not speak with the Trib (because they wanted to ask some questions), instead the got an email titled "To Team Pravda" and the content goes like this:

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay...
My, oh my what a wonderful day!
It's the truth, it's actch'll
Ev'rything is satisfactch'll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!

this is the death knell for big government liberalism for a generation
 
"I'm hearing..." sounds convienceing.
 
this is the death knell for big government liberalism for a generation

Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. :roll: No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.
 
Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. :roll: No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.

A defeat for liberalism is putting Gays back in the closet, children back in factories, etc? It seems you aren't to aware of the political history of Black Rights either, or women's rights.National Federation of Republican Women

If that's the left's lopsided idea idea of conservatism then maybe it explains their election of someone like Barrack Obama.
 
A defeat for liberalism is putting Gays back in the closet, children back in factories, etc? It seems you aren't to aware of the political history of Black Rights either, or women's rights.National Federation of Republican Women

If that's the left's lopsided idea idea of conservatism then maybe it explains their election of someone like Barrack Obama.

And you are making the mistake of equating Repulbicans with Conservatives and Dems with Liberals. We are talking about liberalism and conservatism not parties. Both parties have switched ideologies before and no ONE party contains ALL conservatives or ALL liberals.
 
It wasnt real insurnace. but anyway...

Define "real insurance?" Is that the one where a 30 year old single male needs to have maternity coverage?
 
It wasnt real insurnace. but anyway...

Nonsense. That is like saying that a mobile home is not a real home or that an older vehicle is not a real vehicle. Medicaid is not "real" insurance either, meaning that is is accepted at very few care facilities, due to its substandard reimbursement rates and bizarre coding requirements, yet it is now being expanded as part of PPACA. Those that try to defend PPACA seem to be either those with employer provided coverage (not yet fully under PPACA) or those that get subsidies.
 
And you are making the mistake of equating Repulbicans with Conservatives and Dems with Liberals. We are talking about liberalism and conservatism not parties. Both parties have switched ideologies before and no ONE party contains ALL conservatives or ALL liberals.

No, they have not switched parties. Do you genuinely believe that that the Democrats of today are 'liberal"? That Barrack Obama is a liberal?
 
No, they have not switched parties. Do you genuinely believe that that the Democrats of today are 'liberal"? That Barrack Obama is a liberal?

Yes, they have switched parties and no, neither party maintains a monopoly on ideology of conservatism or liberalism. Do you really think it was conservatism that got children out of factories? No, it was liberalism. Do you think it was conservatism that gave blacks and women the right to vote? No, it was liberalism.

Now, strict liberalism or conservatism is never a good thing. BOTH have their strong points and weak points.
 
Yes, they have switched parties and no, neither party maintains a monopoly on ideology of conservatism or liberalism. Do you really think it was conservatism that got children out of factories? No, it was liberalism. Do you think it was conservatism that gave blacks and women the right to vote? No, it was liberalism. Now, strict liberalism or conservatism is never a good thing. BOTH have their strong points and weak points.

It was the Republicans who supported Woman's Suffrage, who fought for African Americans while the Democrats now fight for more government control, which is as illiberal, in the traditional sense, as possible, The Republican Party of today, as in the past, is fighting for the freedom of the individual while today's liberal feels that more government equals more personal freedom. It's a modern tragedy.
 
It was the Republicans who supported Woman's Suffrage, who fought for African Americans while the Democrats now fight for more government control, which is as illiberal, in the traditional sense, as possible, The Republican Party of today, as in the past, is fighting for the freedom of the individual while today's liberal feels that more government equals more personal freedom. It's a modern tragedy.

Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedom.

Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one. Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote, it was conservatism that fought it. Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. ONly the parties changed.
 
Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedo

Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one. Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote, it was conservatism that fought it. Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. Only the parties changed.

Its an interesting subject and one I'd like to discuss further but the mods have put me on notice a couple of time for going off topic.
 
Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. :roll: No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.

like how you take my post out of context did I say liberals where going away? I said big government liberalism will be
 
Its an interesting subject and one I'd like to discuss further but the mods have put me on notice a couple of time for going off topic.

Probably because you can't tell the difference between political ideology and political party.

I guess the next time Republicans demand federal standards for something they'll think twice.
 
Yes, just like the GOP was eliminated in 2006. :roll: No, liberalism won't be going away. No, we won't be putting gays back in the closet. No, we won't be eliminating the min wage and having children back in factories working. No, we won't be taking blacks and women's right to vote away. Sorry, but liberalism is not going anywhere and neither is conservatism. BOTH are needed in various degrees for a successful society to exist.

As much as I have seen and hated some liberal big government ideas (gun control, New York's insane bans, ACA), I have seen conservatives just as interested in using big government for THEIR needs as well. Morality control with the FCC, flag burning bans, and anti-gay marriage bans.
Libs are necessary to illustrate idiocy. Unfortunately people actually took this joke seriously. Hate to admit it, I did at one time too. Then I grew up.
 
Libs are necessary to illustrate idiocy. Unfortunately people actually took this joke seriously. Hate to admit it, I did at one time too. Then I grew up.

Ah yes, more partisan BS from a hack like you. If I wanted your opinion, I would just tune in Rush Limpdick since you parrot his BS and his listeners can't think for themselves either.
 
Sorry, but that simply isn't true. The Republican party is more interested in soving morality anti-gay, anti-choice. Hardly freedom.
Yes, the Republican Party is interested in morality and the Democrats less so. That's why the Republicans are always held to higher standards while the standards of the Democrats are unclear. I know of no Republican who is anti Gay, and many do feel that abortion is wrong. The Democrats are pro choice when it comes to abortions but not when it comes to health care or schools.
Sorry, but that is a CONSERVATIVE mentality not a liberal one.
'Liberals' of today want more government control, not less, and that is hardly a liberal philosophy in the true sense of the word.
Liberalism was going against the norm and giving the women and blacks the right to vote
It was religious people who were the forefront of freeing Blacks and outlawing slavery, not the 'liberals' as we know them. In fact liberals of today have legislated the idea that Blacks are inferior to every other race, and are largely anti religion. The only religion they appear to support is Islamism, and that is hardly liberal.
it was conservatism that fought it.
Conservatives believe in the innate liberty of man and 'to do unto others'. Liberals generally do not.
Parties change ideology, not ONE party is the same as when it was founded. That much is true and is in history. However, the concept of liberalism and conservatism remained constant. ONly the parties changed.
Yes, that's the way the argument goes but it is just as false now as it was 150 years ago.
 
Ah yes, more partisan BS from a hack like you. If I wanted your opinion, I would just tune in Rush Limpdick since you parrot his BS and his listeners can't think for themselves either.
I used to be a Lib... then I grew up. You see... I was open minded enough to tune into the opinions of others, from all over the globe. You illustrate that you are closed minded. That's OK... it's nice you revealed the narrowness of your mind. Thanks!

My being a former Lib pisses Libs off... I know, but hey... I would change back if someone could show Socialism works... it doesn't. It might sound compassionate, but it screws those they claim they want to help.
Is that compassion?
Is that good for society?
Is it healthy to poison people into believing government is the answer?
Is the class warfare Libs foment not a most vile form of manipulation?
What legislation is responsible for 17Trillion in debt and 60+Trillion of unfunded liabilities? Limited Government... ROTFLOL...

What exactly are the redeeming factors of pursuing Socialist legislation?

Many Libs are welded to their ideology after pounding the poison in their brains... They are closed minded clods hit by a form of paralysis where the poison turns their brains to cement.

I'm happy to say I had an open mind, and still have one. It doesn't mean I have to tolerate stupidity or failure. And I don't.
 
Last edited:
I'm happy to say I had an open mind, and still have one. It doesn't mean I have to tolerate stupidity or failure. And I don't.

You have an open mind like the KKK has an open mind about blacks. and no, I'm not comparing YOUR thoughts to the KKK, only your closed mind. Sorry, but you are close minded and partisan as they get. Open mind? I about spit my coffee out this morning laughing at that. Thanks for the laugh.

A perfect example is, I'm not a liberal, yet you continue to call me as such. I put up the challenge to you before to PROVE with my comments and you ran away and couldn't man up the challenge to do so. You deserve the government we have.
 
Yes, the Republican Party is interested in morality and the Democrats less so. That's why the Republicans are always held to higher standards while the standards of the Democrats are unclear. I know of no Republican who is anti Gay, and many do feel that abortion is wrong. The Democrats are pro choice when it comes to abortions but not when it comes to health care or schools.

Anti-gay marriage. Republicans are hell bent on using government to stop it. They also like using the FCC to ban things THEY deem so called "immoral". Also, I will agree that the Dems go to far on things like the ACA and gun control. I haven't said Dems are better than Reps. BOTH the Dems and GOP use big government for things THEY want. My point was that there are things that are liberally acted on and conservatively acted on and neither is ALL good or ALL bad when it comes to liberal and conservative.

'Liberals' of today want more government control, not less, and that is hardly a liberal philosophy in the true sense of the word.

Yes, there are some that want progression in bad ways. Hence why I have said that conservatism and liberalism are needed. In the case of gun control, conservatism is needed to protect that right just as I believe liberalism is needed to protect gays for SSM.

It was religious people who were the forefront of freeing Blacks and outlawing slavery, not the 'liberals' as we know them. In fact liberals of today have legislated the idea that Blacks are inferior to every other race, and are largely anti religion. The only religion they appear to support is Islamism, and that is hardly liberal.

Since many conservatives claim the founding fathers were Christians, they AGREED to allow slavery. Sorry, but again, those religious folks were acting liberally when they freed slaves and gave rights to blacks and women to vote. You do understand that religious people can act liberally right?

Conservatives believe in the innate liberty of man and 'to do unto others'. Liberals generally do not.

You mean like the liberty of SSM? Oh wait, they don't. So please don't spout off like conservatism is ALL good and liberalism is ALL bad, that **** don't fly in reality.

Yes, that's the way the argument goes but it is just as false now as it was 150 years ago.

Nope, it is quite true. Just because you hate facts, doesn't make them any less factual.
 
Back
Top Bottom