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More than half of employer based coverage illegal on Jan 1st

j-mac said:
As to the part I bolded, that may kick you completely off coverage, and into the exchange. This is going to be a mess.
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That's another lie

Changes to plans may result in a plan losing it's grandfathered status but it can't result in someone losing coverage altogether. Also, no one is forced to buy insurance through the exchange. People can buy into the very same plans directly through the insurer
 
The ACA is designed to justify denying major medical care to everyone but the higher middle class and upward. The PR on it all is possibly the most callous lie told in modern American history.

If you are poor and "covered" under the ACA with "free" insurance - and need a $30,000 medical procedure? Unless you have as much as $17,000!! in cash do don't get the treatment.
Even if you have the BEST "free" coverage under the ACA the LEAST you MUST have in CASH is $12,000!

Since NO poor and virtually NO lower income people have $12,000 in cash, ALL major medical needs will be denied.

BUT everyone debates the ACA based upon what Obama says it is - essentially 100% of which is a lie and diametrically opposite from the truth. Obama is the greatest shill Corporate America has had since the development of the railroads to the West.

Obama and the ACA is not "liberal" nor "progressive." It is what he is, corporate fascism.
 
Our insurance at work is changing significantly. They've added mental health care and some other care. The copays are going up considerably (doubling ir more) and the premiums are going up by 15%+
 
Tigger said:
Our insurance at work is changing significantly. They've added mental health care and some other care. The copays are going up considerably (doubling ir more) and the premiums are going up by 15%+
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I suggest you take advantage of this new benefit
 
sangha said:
Request denied
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Because you clearly don't understand it...What a joke.

The provisions which created the SHOP program do not require any small business to drop it's current plan (if it even has one) contrary to your dishonest claim.
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No, but the regulations from CMS will. The report made to the administration said that their estimate was that up to 43% +/- of group offered plans through employer based coverage would lose their benefits. It's in black and white.

Large businesses are not qualified to use SHOP.
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Because large business can self insure...Wouldn't want to piss off the donor base now would we.

And businesses that use SHOP do not choose a plan for their employees. Instead, they merely indicate how much they are willing to contribute towards their employees coverage, and then their employees choose what coverage they want.
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Yes, it's the ACA exchange for small business. That's what I said it was.

That's another lie
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No, it isn't...Are you like this in person?

Changes to plans may result in a plan losing it's grandfathered status but it can't result in someone losing coverage altogether.
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Thanks for admitting I was right.

Also, no one is forced to buy insurance through the exchange. People can buy into the very same plans directly through the insurer
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Good God you progressives are deceitful...You don't even know what you are arguing most of the time...All you have is jerkish behavior tell people that don't agree with you silliness, liars...You really are a waste of time.
 
As expected, you response is filled with lies

j-mac said:
Because you clearly don't understand it...What a joke.



No, but the regulations from CMS will. The report made to the administration said that their estimate was that up to 43% +/- of group offered plans through employer based coverage would lose their benefits. It's in black and white.
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Your claim that regs require plans to lose grandfather status have been debunked numerous times



Because large business can self insure...Wouldn't want to piss off the donor base now would we.
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Any business can self-insure.



Yes, it's the ACA exchange for small business. That's what I said it was.
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No, you were referring to the individual market, which is different. Stop posting lies

Thanks for admitting I was right.
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You're wrong. Plans can change, but your claim that ACA forces changes which lose grandfathering is a lie
 
Michael66 said:
More racist hate and a clear display of how the racist haters are hoping for failure which could negatively effect their fellow Americans!

Everybody needs to take notice who the haters are on this board and let them know they aren't fooling anybody anymore.
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Did you get mixed up and post this message on the wrong thread? :confused:
 
sangha said:
As expected, you response is filled with lies



Your claim that regs require plans to lose grandfather status have been debunked numerous times





Any business can self-insure.





No, you were referring to the individual market, which is different. Stop posting lies



You're wrong. Plans can change, but your claim that ACA forces changes which lose grandfathering is a lie
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Blah, blah, blah....Your posting is worthless.
 
Grim17 said:
The part that stuns me about this, is close to 100 million people might get the shaft here... I didn't see that in any of those shiny Obamacare brochures.
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Maybe the same companies who designed he websites did the brochures as well.
 
Dickieboy said:
I don't think the bolded is true. Folks/businesses have the option to purchase plans OUTSIDE the exchange through the same Ins Co's...but the policies still MUST comply with the regs...
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exactly. Not to mention that companies with more than 50 employees do not get coverage from the exchange. Like where I work. Our company's coverage is fine so we will be keeping our insurance.
 
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Michael66 said:
More racist hate and a clear display of how the racist haters are
hoping for failure which could negatively effect their fellow Americans!

Everybody needs to take notice who the haters are on this board and let them know they aren't fooling anybody anymore.
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Are you just a spare bit of spam code that repeats nonsensical left wing talking points ?

Because that was pathetic, mindless and derogatory and had nothing to do with the OP.
 
poweRob said:
exactly. Not to mention that companies with more than 50 employees do not get
coverage from the exchange. Like where I work. Our company's coverage is fine so we will be keeping our insurance.
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Well you're all set.

What about the millions who have gotten screwed by this horrible legislation ?

Lost their coverage, had their premiums shoot up, lost their benifits for their dependants ?

Gotten their hours reduced or were hired for part time only ?

Screw them , right ?

I thought you Libs were "compassionate " ?
 
Fenton said:
Well you're all set.

What about the millions who have gotten screwed by this horrible legislation ?

Lost their coverage, had their premiums shoot up, lost their benifits for their dependants ?

Gotten their hours reduced or were hired for part time only ?

Screw them , right ?

I thought you Libs were "compassionate " ?
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'Compassion' is what they try to sell but of course, as we see repeatedly, that's just carnival barker spiel. The reality is quite different.

Mark Steyn: Politics trumps Left’s empathy | santorum, one, weird - Opinion - The Orange County Register
 
sangha said:
I suggest you take advantage of this new benefit
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That's not going to happen, but it will be a nice little benefit when my fiance comes onto the policy in July, as she regularly sees a counselor for issues from her childhood.
 
azgreg said:
Morning j.

Let's look at it this way. If you lose your employer based health insurance because it is deemed no longer legal under the PPACA and your employer choses not to get a different (and legal) plan forcing you to go to the exchange to get your health insurance without giving you a raise equal to the amount of their contribution to your health insurance they are effectively giving you a pay cut. In that scenario your employer is the bad guy and not the PPACA.
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Wow, so this is how the other side thinks. So if one is happy with their plan, and then ACA comes in making it illegal, it's the employer who is bad because it won't make up the difference. Just wow!
 
j-mac said:
Be prepared to be taxed on that Cadillac plan...
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So we have a kill box created for insurance companies, first make many illegal (for whatever reason), then create arbitrary boudaries to hem them in so they can't do business, and kill them with taxation.
 
American said:
So we have a kill box created for insurance companies, first make many illegal (for whatever reason), then create arbitrary boudaries to hem them in so they can't do business, and kill them with taxation.
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Oh absolutely...Remember what Jan Schakowsky [sic] said to her constituents in a speech in the run up to passage.



This socialist piece of anti american trash shouldn't be in congress, she and her corrupt husband should be in jail.

Read about her.

Jan Schakowsky - Discover the Networks
 
j-mac said:
Yes, but from the exchange....I just looked this morning to see, and my coverage here from the same carrier, BC/BS would go from $240 per month my cost, to $834 per month if I want to keep anywhere near the same co pay, and deductible.
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Who do you have? I have Anthem Blue Cross, Blue shield and my plans are going up $50 per month for the same co-pay and deductible?
 
j-mac said:
Oh absolutely...Remember what Jan Schakowsky [sic] said to her constituents in a speech in the run up to passage.

This socialist piece of anti american trash shouldn't be in congress, she and her corrupt husband should be in jail.

Read about her.
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Notice also the demonizing of opponents. That's also now typical.
 
Grant said:
Notice also the demonizing of opponents. That's also now typical.
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Are you serisouly making the claim the right doesn't demonize their opponents?
 
American said:
Wow, so this is how the other side thinks. So if one is happy with their plan, and then ACA comes in making it illegal, it's the employer who is bad because it won't make up the difference. Just wow!
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I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. In my example it's clear (to me anyways ;)) that the employer is using Obamacare as an excuse to cut the employees compensation package. I am in no way happy with how this law is turning out. The thing to me though about these stories is they stop short of the whole story. They report that employers plans are illegal under Obamacare and they have to drop them. I haven't seen any stories that ask if the employer is going to a different plan or is changing their compensation package to compensate.
 
azgreg said:
I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. In my example it's clear (to me anyways ;)) that the employer is using Obamacare as an excuse to cut the employees compensation package. I am in no way happy with how this law is turning out. The thing to me though about these stories is they stop short of the whole story. They report that employers plans are illegal under Obamacare and they have to drop them. I haven't seen any stories that ask if the employer is going to a different plan or is changing their compensation package to compensate.
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This whole notion that the employer is now responsible, for fixing what ACA is ****ing up, is perposterous! The discussion should be entirely focused on why ACA is coming in a making existing plans illegal, and why that is the problem.
 
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