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Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed..... [W:44:90]

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I'll be flying into LAX in a few weeks... It should be like "lightening not stricking twice in the same spot", right?
 
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Cephus said:
First off, there is no 2nd Amendment right to carry. Show me where in the amendment, as written, the word "carry" is used at all. Certainly in California, there is no right to carry without a difficult-to-get permit. Try again.
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I think the word "bear " and the word "carry" are similar enough in definition to be construed as having the same meaning. Even by the SCOTUS.
The hypothetical scenario that has been projected here was that the LAX shooter would have been "dropped" before he got off a shot if everyone at the airport was carrying a gun. I am exploring that contention to see if that is a realistic possibility. I am expanding that thought to see if this train of thinking could be applied to anywhere.
What do you think? If everyone at LAX was carrying ( bearing ) a gun ...could this shooting of the TSA officers have been prevented?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I'll be flying into LAX in a few weeks... It should be like "lightening not stricking twice in the same spot", right?
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I suspect the Touching Sensitive Areas agents won't be in the best of moods and Thousands will be Standing Around
 
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TurtleDude said:
I suspect the Touching Sensitive Areas agents won't be in the best of moods and Thousands will be Standing Around
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Yeah, crazy TSOs, possibly being a little put off after one of them on the job was murdered and others injured.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I think the word "bear " and the word "carry" are similar enough in definition to be construed as having the same meaning. Even by the SCOTUS.
The hypothetical scenario that has been projected here was that the LAX shooter would have been "dropped" before he got off a shot if everyone at the airport was carrying a gun. I am exploring that contention to see if that is a realistic possibility. I am expanding that thought to see if this train of thinking could be applied to anywhere.
What do you think? If everyone at LAX was carrying ( bearing ) a gun ...could this shooting of the TSA officers have been prevented?
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Without full knowledge of how the situation occurred its impossible to make an educated guess let alone state something with certainty
 
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Zyphlin said:
Yeah, crazy TSOs, possibly being a little put off after one of them on the job was murdered and others injured.
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I think you are agreeing with my point
 
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Zyphlin said:
Yeah, crazy TSOs, possibly being a little put off after one of them on the job was murdered and others injured.
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So all teachers should be put off and screw people over due to some teacher shootings? I bet TD is right. The TSA agents already suck and keep people standing around, why won't it simply get worse?
 
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TurtleDude said:
I think you are agreeing with my point
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I'm in no way agree with any part of your post flippantly insulting TSO's in the wake of all of this
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I think the word "bear " and the word "carry" are similar enough in definition to be construed as having the same meaning. Even by the SCOTUS.
The hypothetical scenario that has been projected here was that the LAX shooter would have been "dropped" before he got off a shot if everyone at the airport was carrying a gun. I am exploring that contention to see if that is a realistic possibility. I am expanding that thought to see if this train of thinking could be applied to anywhere.
What do you think? If everyone at LAX was carrying ( bearing ) a gun ...could this shooting of the TSA officers have been prevented?
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The argument isn't really that the guy couldn't have killed somebody since, as far as I know, nobody actually has "spider senses". The argument is that if somebody DID pull out a weapon they would be met with greater force very quickly instead of being able to stroll about in an office building, a school or a movie theatre until he cops arrived and THIS would give the shooter pause to even try in the first place.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
So all teachers should be put off and screw people over due to some teacher shootings? I bet TD is right. The TSA agents already suck and keep people standing around, why won't it simply get worse?
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Who said "Screw people over"?

Turtle suggested they'd be in a poor mood, I suggested it's somewhat reasonable that they'd be in a poor mood after this.

Poor mood doesn't mean "Screwing people over".

Yeah, I could understand Teachers being a little put off and not in the greatest of moods immediately following a school shooting. That doesn't mean the teacher is doing a poor job, being unprofessional, or "Screwing people over"...it mean's they're not in a good mood.

Are you in a good mood every day you're at work? Do you "Screw people over" whenever you've having a bad mood?
 
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Zyphlin said:
Who said "Screw people over"?

Turtle suggested they'd be in a poor mood, I suggested it's somewhat reasonable that they'd be in a poor mood after this.

Poor mood doesn't mean "Screwing people over".

Yeah, I could understand Teachers being a little put off and not in the greatest of moods immediately following a school shooting. That doesn't mean the teacher is doing a poor job, being unprofessional, or "Screwing people over"...it mean's they're not in a good mood.

Are you in a good mood every day you're at work? Do you "Screw people over" whenever you've having a bad mood?
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Nobody said screw people over but that is obviously what TD meant when he added their poor mood would leave Thousands Standing Around.

The rest of your post is kinda irrelevant.
 
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TurtleDude said:
and the right to keep and bear arms allows you to shoot a rifle in a range or on rural property-not in an airport

so claiming this has something to do with second amendment rights is just plain silly. Look I realize that some on the left want to harass conservatives and they figure that gun control is a good tool to do that but it only hurts the anti gun movement when they blame homicidal maniacs (who weren't deterred by California's idiotic gun laws) on the Second amendment.
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You know that the 2nd amendment says nothing about shooting, or where you can shoot right? It only refers to "bearing arms".
I'm not looking to "harass" conservatives, (besides you are a libertarian not a conservative) . I am only asking the question, if every one at LAX was carrying a gun this morning, as has been suggested here, this nut wouldn't have been able to get off a shot before he was dropped. Do you agree? Or does that sound "silly " to you as well?
If California didn't have those "idiotic gun laws" how could thus scene at LAX, this morning, been different?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I'll be flying into LAX in a few weeks... It should be like "lightening not stricking twice in the same spot", right?
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Just be glad you didn't fly in today. What a zoo that place must be now.
 
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Update: They have ID him. The Police tried to get to him before he made the attack since he was on a suicide mission.

TSA agent killed in LAX shooting, suspect ID'd.....

The FBI has identified the suspect as 23-year-old Paul Ciancia. According to public records obtained by Yahoo News, Ciancia has a known address in Pennsville, N.J., about 15 miles from Wilmington, Del.

The AP said Ciancia had contacted his brother by text message on Friday saying he was considering suicide. Ciancia's father then reached out to law enforcement officials in Los Angeles who reportedly made an unsuccessful attempt to make contact with Ciancia before the shooting.

Ciancia entered the airport wearing fatigues and carrying a bag containing a handwritten note that said he "wanted to kill TSA and pigs," an official, who was briefed on the investigation and requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, told the AP

The Federal Aviation Administration announced a full ground stop until the incident has been officially resolved. Executive Director of Los Angeles World Airports Gina Marie Lindsey said in a Friday afternoon press conference that the ground stop is set to be removed at 4:00pm PST.

Access to the airport has been temporarily shutdown on Century Boulevard, the main road leading into LAX. In addition, all flights are reportedly delayed......snip~

TSA agent killed in LAX shooting, suspect ID'd

Hence my questions before about the Media. Naturally Obama stated he was keeping an eye out on the situation. (not like he would have more important things to keep an eye out on.....huh? But now a gun issue, with a semi Automatic, he is on the ball.) Now you can understand the MS media talking about how this guy was Anti Government.

Do you think the MS Media was hoping this guy would be a Tea partier.....they (the Media) reported Automatic Weapon at least 50 times, saying it on TV and over the Air.

MSDNC and its crew really went to town over this. Even embellishing about how many planes were sitting there with their Cockpit Doors open and Crews possibly being open to attack. Someone reported like 39 Planes. Do you think the gun man could have got to all of them like the MSDNC Democratic Underground/Progressive/Hack/ Chris Hayes and his Buddies were trying to allude to?

Oh yeah.....an official commented who was briefed on the incident and was giving the story. But as usual they requested anonymity as THEY WERENT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK UPON the matter. Yet here they are speaking and doing a whole lot of talking. Do you think they have any Right to Anonymity?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Just be glad you didn't fly in today. What a zoo that place must be now.
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I am not a tough guy and wouldn't want to be around a situation like that but if I was flying alone I would be fine as I can handle myself (think during emergencies, calm, fast, creative).

What worries me is that I will be travelling with my two little girls. The idea of a stampede and losing one of them scares the **** out of me.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I am not a tough guy and wouldn't want to be around a situation like that but if I was flying alone I would be fine as I can handle myself (think during emergencies, calm, fast, creative).

What worries me is that I will be travelling with my two little girls. The idea of a stampede and losing one of them scares the **** out of me.
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Yes, as well it should.

I was just thinking that being stuck in an airport is no fun.
 
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Hate to hear such things happening,
Best wishes to all those affected.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Yes, as well it should.

I was just thinking that being stuck in an airport is no fun.
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Again, if it was me I wouldn't really care as long as they got the guy... I am easily entertained (not by this but when waiting I daydream pretty easily).

But yes, I hear you. It would be more fun to not be there than to be there. :)
 
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Buck Ewer said:
You know that the 2nd amendment says nothing about shooting, or where you can shoot right? It only refers to "bearing arms".
I'm not looking to "harass" conservatives, (besides you are a libertarian not a conservative) . I am only asking the question, if every one at LAX was carrying a gun this morning, as has been suggested here, this nut wouldn't have been able to get off a shot before he was dropped. Do you agree? Or does that sound "silly " to you as well?
If California didn't have those "idiotic gun laws" how could thus scene at LAX, this morning, been different?
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if well trained civilians were carrying weapons the mope might have been terminated much faster.

Gun control laws really don't stop people willing to die
 
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If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?
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that's a pretty good set of questions I do concede.
 
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TurtleDude said:
if well trained civilians were carrying weapons the mope might have been terminated much faster.

Gun control laws really don't stop people willing to die
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Exactly......the guy couldn't kill himself. So he was looking for the Cops to do the job for him.

This was the problem with the MS Media trying to report the story and going Straight to Motive and how he was Anti Government and that he had all these writings on him. he had one piece of paper. A Note.

Although I can tell you the media is still reporting the incident and its non stop with.....he attacked with an Assault Rifle or Assault Weapon.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
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Do you realize how large the baggage screening area could potentially be at a Cat X airport?

Typically, one of those armed LEO's is nearly permanently stationed at what's known as the "LEO" door, the path into the secure area of that gun toting LEO's have to go through.

In an airport as large as LAX there's an extremely good chance that one could easily get through people and up to the screening locations without passing very close to a LEO.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Do you realize how large the baggage screening area could potentially be at a Cat X airport?

Typically, one of those armed LEO's is nearly permanently stationed at what's known as the "LEO" door, the path into the secure area of that gun toting LEO's have to go through.

In an airport as large as LAX there's an extremely good chance that one could easily get through people and up to the screening locations without passing very close to a LEO.
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Just not enough armed cops huh? Too big to be secure?
Do you think there will be more now?
 
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