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Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed..... [W:44:90]

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Buck Ewer said:
So it's not open carry that is the threat? You can see his finger at all times and that is the determining factor? If his finger is in front of the trigger guard OK. but on the trigger Blam?
What if there were a dozen guys open carrying ARs . You gonna watch every finger at every second ready to shoot if the finger position changes?
You can "aim" an AR from the hip ...can't you?
How could you tell?
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Anyone carrying an AR in an airport should be considered suspect, and if the weapon is raised to firing level, is definitely an immediate threat...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Anyone carrying an AR in an airport should be considered suspect, and if the weapon is raised to firing level, is definitely an immediate threat...
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An AR can be at "firing position" at the hip where it is carried.
How would you know?
Don't you guys advocate open carry everywhere?
Don't you believe that is every American's right according to the 2nd amendment?
I'm just trying to understand how you have thought this all out.
If everyone is open carrying, How ready would you need to be to kill at an instant's notice?
Calamity said that if only everyone was carrying this would never have been a problem. Do you disagree?
LAX is not a gun free zone ...Only after the baggage screen.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
An AR can be at "firing position" at the hip where it is carried.
How would you know?
Don't you guys advocate open carry everywhere?
Don't you believe that is every American's right according to the 2nd amendment?
I'm just trying to understand how you have thought this all out.
If everyone is open carrying, How ready would you need to be to kill at an instant's notice?
Calamity said that if only everyone was carrying this would never have been a problem. Do you disagree?
LAX is not a gun free zone ...Only after the baggage screen.
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There's a big difference between "open carry" and a threatening position. I doubt you can understand that difference...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
There's a big difference between "open carry" and a threatening position. I doubt you can understand that difference...
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I doubt that anyone can.
How about this gal her finger is off the trigger but she looks ready to shoot. What about this dude he seems to be chambering a round. Would you "drop" him?
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What about this kid. he is smiling but is he ready to shoot? These guys look ready to shoot but fingers seem to be off the triggers. Shoot 'em?
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Many here advocate open carry of any weapon anywhere. I'm just trying to understand what would the consequences be if this were to actually happen.
The NRA's LaPierre says that the ONLY defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If they all wore black or white hats like in western movies it would be easy but if everyone was open carrying how could you tell intent, especially with long guns that aren't holstered?
If you are ready to shoot anyone carrying in a suspicious way how would anyone else know your intent? Why wouldn't you be shot for being in a threatening Position?
I'm just asking to find out what you guys are thinking.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I doubt that anyone can.
How about this gal her finger is off the trigger but she looks ready to shoot. What about this dude he seems to be chambering a round. Would you "drop" him?
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What about this kid. he is smiling but is he ready to shoot? These guys look ready to shoot but fingers seem to be off the triggers. Shoot 'em?
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Loading a clip. Is this a threatening position?Would you shoot to kill?
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Many here advocate open carry of any weapon anywhere. I'm just trying to understand what would the consequences be if this were to actually happen.
The NRA's LaPierre says that the ONLY defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If they all wore black or white hats like in western movies it would be easy but if everyone was open carrying how could you tell intent, especially with long guns that aren't holstered?
If you are ready to shoot anyone carrying in a suspicious way how would anyone else know your intent? Why wouldn't you be shot for being in a threatening Position?
I'm just asking to find out what you guys are thinking.
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You are doing nothing but baiting with stupid statements.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Many here advocate open carry of any weapon anywhere. I'm just trying to understand what would the consequences be if this were to actually happen.
The NRA's LaPierre says that the ONLY defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If they all wore black or white hats like in western movies it would be easy but if everyone was open carrying how could you tell intent, especially with long guns that aren't holstered?
If you are ready to shoot anyone carrying in a suspicious way how would anyone else know your intent? Why wouldn't you be shot for being in a threatening Position?
I'm just asking to find out what you guys are thinking.
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As I posted, you wouldn't understand...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
There's a big difference between "open carry" and a threatening position. I doubt you can understand that difference...
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I doubt that anyone can.
How about this gal her finger is off the trigger but she looks ready to shoot. What about this dude he seems to be chambering a round. Would you "drop" him?
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What about this kid. he is smiling but is he ready to shoot? These guys look ready to shoot but fingers seem to be off the triggers. Shoot 'em?
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Loading a clip. Is this a threatening position?Would you shoot to kill?
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Many here advocate open carry of any weapon anywhere. I'm just trying to understand what would the consequences be if this were to actually happen.
The NRA's LaPierre says that the ONLY defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If they all wore black or white hats like in western movies it would be easy but if everyone was open carrying how could you tell intent, especially with long guns that aren't holstered?
If you are ready to shoot anyone carrying in a suspicious way how would anyone else know your intent? Why wouldn't you be shot for being in a threatening Position?
I'm just asking to find out what you guys are thinking.
 
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This guy looks to me like a threat but is he?
What would you do if you saw him like this at the supermarket?
Would you shoot him?
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Come on I want to know.
Is he an innocent 2nd amendment exerciser or potential mass murderer?
What is the criteria for judgement if everyone is carrying?
What would it take to "drop him"?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Anyone carrying an AR in an airport should be considered suspect, and if the weapon is raised to firing level, is definitely an immediate threat...
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Anyone not in a police or military uniform is defiantly a threat. No reason to have an AR just walking around the air port. Even if its just slung you better have a damn good reason for it.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Anyone not in a police or military uniform is defiantly a threat. No reason to have an AR just walking around the air port. Even if its just slung you better have a damn good reason for it.
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Why?
Don't they have 2nd amendment rights to carry? Anywhere?
Isn't that reason enough?
How about the supermarket? Or a bus station?
Or a rally in Washington. Why is the airport different?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Yes, in an instant.
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Maybe he is just a guy ready to identify a mass murderer and shoot like you.
Couldn't he be innocently being diligent ? Just like you?
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His finger isn't on the trigger...You would really drop him "in an instant"?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Gun free zone? Hardly.
There are two armed LA cops at every baggage screening area at LAX.
Oh yeah... and this guy was exercising his 2nd amendment rights and was carrying an AR-15.
Probably a sportsman.
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do you consider running someone over with a Porsche an example of "exercising your right to travel"?
shooting someone illegally with a gun has nothing to do with one's second amendment rights anymore than what I described.

how many "sportsman" kill people as opposed to the group that voted for Obama at a rate of 96%?

if you are going to slur a group over gun misuse, targeting sportsmen rather inner city blacks is rather silly given that black males-almost always under the age of 40 and almost always in Democrat party run cities, cause a bit more than half the murders in the USA

"sportsmen" people with hunting licenses or gun club memberships-I bet less then one tenth that amount
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
His opinion of there being multiple reactions other than your fallacious two? That's not an opinion.

And sure, just keep pushing your fingers further in your eyes, they'll probably touch eventually.

Anyway, hope all are safe.
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Since I haven't heard this for awhile "lighten up Francis[es]" My apologies I did not notice the RIP tag in the thread title, therefore forbidding humorous sarcasm. Oh there wasn't one.

I can go with or without TSA. I have very little feelings either way. So your opinion is also rejected and adjust your twisted panties.

I'll let the personal attacks slide this time.
 
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This thread jumps right from "gunfire at LAX, possible wounded and/or dead" to "OMG <insert partisan message here>".

**** you all.
 
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TurtleDude said:
do you consider running someone over with a Porsche an example of "exercising your right to travel"?
shooting someone illegally with a gun has nothing to do with one's second amendment rights anymore than what I described.

how many "sportsman" kill people as opposed to the group that voted for Obama at a rate of 96%?

if you are going to slur a group over gun misuse, targeting sportsmen rather inner city blacks is rather silly given that black males-almost always under the age of 40 and almost always in Democrat party run cities, cause a bit more than half the murders in the USA

"sportsmen" people with hunting licenses or gun club memberships-I bet less then one tenth that amount
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Others here seemed sure that if everyone was carrying at LAX that this nut wouldn't have been able to kill anyone.
I'm asking how would they know( before he shot) that he wasn't just a sportsman exercising his 2nd amendment right to carry a weapon?
The Porsche driver is just exercising his right to travel until the instant that he runs someone over. The claim here is that he wouldn't get to try because if everyone was armed he would be shot before he got the chance.
I'm asking how would you know?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Others here seemed sure that if everyone was carrying at LAX that this nut wouldn't have been able to kill anyone.
I'm asking how would they know( before he shot) that he wasn't just a sportsman exercising his 2nd amendment right to carry a weapon?
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sportsmen don't tend to violate the laws. he apparently is a sick conspiracy nut and I guess you haven't figured out-California has had an "assault weapon" ban for years-at least 20. Geez, that law (along with the threat of capital murder-both state and FEDERAL (killing a federal agent can get you the needle EVEN IN STATES THAT DON'T HAVE CAPITAL SENTENCES) sure didn't deter that scumbag. Should everyone in an airport be packing heat? that sounds sort of silly but of course if say Barbara Olson (the late wife of the former solicitor general) had a pistol, one of the 9-11 hijacked planes might not have been doomed.

you seem unable to understand that the right to keep and bear arms does not allow you to commit capital murder any more than the right of free association does not allow you to break into a jail to hang out with one of your homies
 
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So what do you think about how the media handled this Shooting? What do you think about the media trying to skip Right to Motive today?

What do you think about the media stating this guy had Anti Government writings on him? Did you like the part that they didn't know what this Alleged Anti Government writing was?

Do you think having something written saying I hate Pigs and I hate the TSA.....is Anti government writings?

Did any here see or hear coverage by NBC and CNN and what they said about this incident today? If so what was you take with how they were driving their Anti Gun Message?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Why?
Don't they have 2nd amendment rights to carry? Anywhere?
Isn't that reason enough?
How about the supermarket? Or a bus station?
Or a rally in Washington. Why is the airport different?
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First off, there is no 2nd Amendment right to carry. Show me where in the amendment, as written, the word "carry" is used at all. Certainly in California, there is no right to carry without a difficult-to-get permit. Try again.
 
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TurtleDude said:
sportsmen don't tend to violate the laws. he apparently is a sick conspiracy nut and I guess you haven't figured out-California has had an "assault weapon" ban for years-at least 20. Geez, that law (along with the threat of capital murder-both state and FEDERAL (killing a federal agent can get you the needle EVEN IN STATES THAT DON'T HAVE CAPITAL SENTENCES) sure didn't deter that scumbag. Should everyone in an airport be packing heat? that sounds sort of silly but of course if say Barbara Olson (the late wife of the former solicitor general) had a pistol, one of the 9-11 hijacked planes might not have been doomed.

you seem unable to understand that the right to keep and bear arms does not allow you to commit capital murder any more than the right of free association does not allow you to break into a jail to hang out with one of your homies
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Well yeah... A gun battle inside a passenger plane at 10,000 feet is something we would all like to see. If Barbara had a gun wouldn't the hijackers have guns as well?
So you disagree with the poster who said that if everyone was carrying this nut wouldn't have been able to kill anyone? It does sound silly.
BTW the right of free association does allow you to visit the jail house and hang out with your homies in the visiting room.
 
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So...does anyone know why this guy did this?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Well yeah... A gun battle inside a passenger plane at 10,000 feet is something we would all like to see. If Barbara had a gun wouldn't the hijackers have guns as well?
So you disagree with the poster who said that if everyone was carrying this nut wouldn't have been able to kill anyone? It does sound silly.
BTW the right of free association does allow you to visit the jail house and hang out with your homies in the visiting room.
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and the right to keep and bear arms allows you to shoot a rifle in a range or on rural property-not in an airport

so claiming this has something to do with second amendment rights is just plain silly. Look I realize that some on the left want to harass conservatives and they figure that gun control is a good tool to do that but it only hurts the anti gun movement when they blame homicidal maniacs (who weren't deterred by California's idiotic gun laws) on the Second amendment.
 
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The Mark said:
So...does anyone know why this guy did this?
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according to letters they found he is a conspiracy whacko who blamed the TSA as Fascist and part of the NWO

I don't think the TSA is fascist

fascists tended to be well organized and efficient. The TSA is neither.
 
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