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Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed..... [W:44:90]

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solletica said:
You mean not groping anymore.
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They are just people doing what they're told to do, doing their jobs.
 
MMC said:
Happening Now.....this was posted a Minute ago. Flights in and out of LAX suspended.


Shots were fired Friday at Los Angeles International Airport.

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The incident happened at around 11:30 a.m. Friday CDT.

Some people were injured, but information wasn’t available about the nature of the injuries.

Evacuations were ordered.

A Los Angeles Fire Department tweet called it a "multi-patient" incident.

CNN reported that flights in and out of the airport were suspended because of the incident.....snip~

Shots Fired At LAX; Injuries Confirmed
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Did they ever say how the others were injured that didn't get shot.....when I put this Up yesterday?
 
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solletica said:
You mean not groping anymore.
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Yeah, she means he isn't able to do anything.....anymore. He's gone.

TSA agent killed in LAX shooting, suspect ID'd

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A Transportation Security Administration agent was killed and several more people wounded when a gunman opened fire on Friday morning at Los Angeles International Airport.....snip~

TSA agent killed in LAX shooting, suspect ID'd

Which we did have up yesterday.....that one was killed.
 
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MMC said:
Morning LOP. :2wave: Its not.....the guy wanted to commit suicide. Hated Cops and the TSA. No record other than a couple of minor traffic tickets.

Still the MS Media is harping about he used an Automatic Rifle and or weapon. Not to mention Obama said he has his eyes out on this story.
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Maybe, but were you an eye witness? Did you see a video? How many witnesses have you read accounts from?

This agency has an agenda, and the M$M's are more than willing to lie for it.

I won't take a position yet on what happened. I simply pointed out what may be a relevant fact in the situation. Azerbaijan's religion is about 81% Shia and 14% Sunni. Only 5% are not Muslim in Azerbaijan.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Maybe, but were you an eye witness? Did you see a video? How many witnesses have you read accounts from?

This agency has an agenda, and the M$M's are more than willing to lie for it.

I won't take a position yet on what happened. I simply pointed out what may be a relevant fact in the situation. Azerbaijan's religion is about 81% Shia and 14% Sunni. Only 5% are not Muslim in Azerbaijan.
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And fact-less CT mumbo-jumbo reads it's ugly head once more....
 
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tech30528 said:
Enough oh the race baiting. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Obama that have nothing to do with race. Claiming that any disagreement with his policies are racially motivated is shallow projection and is likely to invalidate anything else you say. The tactic is worn out.

But to the point, one would think people who are tasked with providing security would be vetted. Considering that the TSA was created by an administration that pretends that the world would be a safer place if only there were more laws, it is reasonable to assume their own security personnel would be properly screened. This leads to one of only a few conclusions:

1) The security aspect of the TSA is a farse, making the program a thinly disguised make work program, some suggest it is nothing more than a method of conditioning people to accept overbearing government intrusion as normal, OR

2) The TSA agent WAS vetted and all the scrutiny and laws in the world will not prevent a reasonable person from snapping.

Either way, all of the hand wringing and infringement of people's rights are clearly not getting to the root of the problem. But that will not stop it, as the stated intent is not the actual intent. It stands to reason that if, after so much time and effort the actions taken in the name of security were proven ineffective that the tactics would be altered in order to achieve the stated goal. The fact that the administration continues to push the same tactics that are clearly shown to not solve the problem indicated that the goal is other than what we are told or that the administration is dilusional, and given the number of people involved it is not statistically probable that they are none who can see the truth.
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Thank you. Which was my point in post #4 in response to #3 (which turned out to be wrong) then a few over-sensitive type got their panties in a twist.
 
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EdwinWillers said:
You mean the gun wasn't responsible for his behavior? ;)

I agree, Maggie. To make the broader point, we need to look into what has changed in our culture that it has lead people who embark on such behavior into thinking it is somehow warranted or ok.
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One-sided media monopoly and over-sensitive sheep.
 
SMTA said:
TSA is not responsible for flight safety, the Air Marshal service is.

Typical misinformation.
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The Federal Air Marshal service is part of TSA. They make up TSA's Office of Law Enforcement. The Director/Assistant Administrator of the Air Marshals directly reports to the TSA Administrator.
 
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tech30528 said:
2) The TSA agent WAS vetted and all the scrutiny and laws in the world will not prevent a reasonable person from snapping.
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The reports the shooter was an off duty TSO were false
 
solletica said:
What strikes is Higgins86's post is her use of the term "we." Noticed how she didn't say "the government" has been dealing w/terrorist threats to it for a long time, which is, in fact, true; instead she said "we" :rolleyes:

It appears that UKers are just as afflicted as the American public w/the disease of stale state propoganda, i. e. the notion that the people and the govt. that controls them are one and the same.
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What you apparently didn't notice was that Higgins86 is male.
 
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Zyphlin said:
The reports the shooter was an off duty TSO were false
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How often do initial reports not contain errors?
 
Higgins86 said:
pretty much a weekly occurrence in the US now it seems
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I never bother using my CCW to carry because it just seems rather paranoid and candidly 99.99% of conflict can be avoided by just not getting sucked into the idiocy of others. But you are right - USA is turning into a dangerous third world environment where there clearly are a lot of red zones where people should not go into. I have a client that often needs me to go to Monterrey Mexico and to North Luzon, Philippines for requirements at their data centers. Each time they have a mandatory driver who is responsible for where I go and they are very strict about red zones and green zones. You cannot even go to a red zone just to take pictures without getting out of your car. Parts of USA are equally that bad at this point. I'd say it's time to clean house; but our "softer gentler USA" refuses to address race-crime statistics, illegal alien crime, ghetto crime, and now gun crazed lunatics killing people by the handful in public places like schools, malls, and airports.
 
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EdwinWillers said:
To make the broader point, we need to look into what has changed in our culture that it has lead people who embark on such behavior into thinking it is somehow warranted or ok.
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Guns don't kill people. Shooters kill people. I agree - something needs to be done to fix this thug culture in USA and the culture of mass murders for fun and attention. People somehow think going into a mall and wasting 20 people is the thing to do when you don't like how you are being treated by someone on a phone or at a store. Guns are clearly in the hands of the wrong people. Mental deficients and thug criminals are the last folks that should be armed; but finding those people and disarming them is going to be impossible in a land that is 3.1 million square miles, has 325 million people, and has about 300 million legally owned small arms and probably another 50 million illegally owned small arms. Just can't clean up that mess without hiring 20 million trained government employees and giving them 20 or 30 years to do their job and somehow designing processes that are not a major violation of the personal rights of innocent folks. So it seems to me the thing to do is properly place armed military in places where there is a higher expectation that the shootings will happen. Schools, airports, malls, etc.
 
solletica said:
What strikes is Higgins86's post is her use of the term "we." Noticed how she didn't say "the government" has been dealing w/terrorist threats to it for a long time, which is, in fact, true; instead she said "we" :rolleyes:

It appears that UKers are just as afflicted as the American public w/the disease of stale state propoganda, i. e. the notion that the people and the govt. that controls them are one and the same.
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or I grew up on RAF bases which were targeted by the IRA and then I joined the Army, hence the word WE.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How often do initial reports not contain errors?
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Probably a small percentage of the time if you are talking about the major facts; and more so when it is a small supporting piece of information. I would call "TSA being the shooter" a major fact and I hope most news stories don't typically have errors of that magnitude. But reporters love to be the first one to break a story, especially if they are independent and want to put food on their table. You can't be the first to break a story AND wait a few days for all the facts to get sorted out.
 
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Yes, so quality suffers.
 
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solletica said:
Depends on one's point of view.

Mathematically, it takes 3 dead tsa officers to equal one cockroach, since cockroaches have 6 legs to crawl on someone, while tsa officers typically only grope w/their 2 hands.

However, since each hand has 5 fingers to grope, one could argue that it takes 2 cockroaches to = 1 tsa officer.

However, the latter implies a greater value for the tsa officer relative to the cockroach, which is clearly misleading.
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If you truly believe this insanity, I both pity you and find you a disgusting example of a human being. In fact, you have caused a measurable improvement in my opinion of the TSA just by existing.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How often do initial reports not contain errors?
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It depends upon the nature of the error, but I would say very frequently.

Unlike the old days of slow print media, today's digital rush-to-be-the-first is conducive to mistakes.

In addition, today's 'reporters' seem less focused on accuracy and more focused on speed.

Fast, accurate, well written - choose two.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Yes, so quality suffers.
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It does. In this day and age though there are always people with their camera phones, so if a journalist doesn't act fast they won't get an exclusive and some video will have gone viral way before it hits AP or Reuters. Alvin Toffler was right, wasn't he. Media made everything an instant global village.
 
I think guns have been mentioned here...but before anyone really points to "guns being responsible," i think this is yet ANOTHER opportunity for us to highlight what our country is lacking: any understanding of mental instability.

I have yet to read about this **** ball, but I would put money on a history of mental instability. People don't snap. And until we start recognizing that...nothing is going to occur in the realm of reducing these wacko incidents.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I looked it up ... At the time of this incident they had been around for nine months. At that time they were still under the Department of Transportation, not the Department of Homeland Security. Still less than a year since 9/11 and two days after a shoot out at that airport ...you would think they would be a little more diligent about checking passengers for weapons.
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The guy hadn't gotten to the first checkpoint yet. He never would have made it past it.
 
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Erod said:
Turns out to be an off-duty TSA agent that walked into the terminal in camouflage gear and began targetting other TSA agents.
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Where did you get this idea from? You need to post a link.

I have read that he was an unemployed, anti-government, conspiracy theorist with serious emotional problems.
 
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Update: Details on Shooter allegedly put out by the media.

Details surrounding LAX shooter beginning to emerge; charged with murdering a federal officer.....

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Paul Anthony Ciancia, the 23-year-old man accused of opening fire inside one of the nation’s largest airports on Friday, was reportedly angry at the government and told his family he was prepared to die.

U.S. Attorney Andre Birotte Jr. said that Ciancia entered Los Angeles International Airport on Friday morning carrying a .223-caliber M&P-13 assault rifle and an estimated 150 rounds of ammunition.

His shooting spree resulted in the first-ever death of a Transportation Security Administration officer, 39-year-old Gerardo I. Hernandez. Five others were wounded in the incident before Ciancia himself was repeatedly shot and then apprehended by law enforcement.

Birotte said that Ciancia has been charged with murdering a federal officer and commission of violence in an international airport, both felonies.

"He looked at me and asked, 'TSA?' I shook my head no, and he continued on down toward the gate, eye witness Leon Saryan, 65, said of his encounter with Ciancia. “He had his gun at the ready and but for the grace of God I am here to tell about it."

Ciancia is said to have made it past a security checkpoint to a Burger King inside Terminal 3 at LAX before police were able to stop him .

A law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Cianci was carrying a one-page, handwritten note that described himself as a “pissed-off patriot” who wanted to kill TSA employees and “pigs” for allegedly violating his constitutional rights. In broader terms, the note is said to have contained conspiratorial accusations against the federal government and a new world order. The note also reportedly expressed anger at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.....snip~

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Details surrounding LAX shooter beginning to emerge; charged with murdering a federal officer

Who made that determination about broader terms? Who is steering the narrative of a Pist off Patriot? One report says the Note "Only" said he hated Pigs and the TSA.....Yet this is described as the details are coming about him?
 
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This guy may have been pissed, but he wasn't a patriot.

At least IMO.

If I had to guess, he read one too many angry blogs/posts/articles on the interwebs, and decided to go do something. But then there's the whole "willing to die" bit, which sounds like what a suicide bomber would do...and that just doesn't fit in my mind with a "patriot". Rather, that sounds like "fanatic".
 
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