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Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds

Perotista said:
the bad thing about government and it has been this way for eons or as long as I can remember. If there is a problem, the government just throws money at it. If that doesn't cure the problem, the government throws more money at it.
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And, as we can see, party supporters accept lying if it's there side who is doing it. No democracy can continue this way and last over the long term.
 
PeteEU said:
So it is private sector crooks and you blame "the government"? Another pathetic hatchet job of a thread against the ACA with baseless accusations and twisted so called facts..
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It was the government giving crooks taxpayers dollars. Do you genuinely believe all governments are honest, or just the US Government and its employees?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Income redistribution schemes are much easier at the federal level since the Feds can print and borrow endlessly while state and local govt's must actually tax in order to spend.
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Yes, local politicians must actually face the people whose money they spend. But for people of limited intelligence having people in a distant city making decisions for them is easier than having to think.
 
specklebang said:
You're right. It's crooked licensed businesses, the only people who can write a pain med scrip and often refuse to while they are billing for someone who isn't there. Why do I mention the scrip? Because these are (mostly) people TRUSTED to manage narcotics yet we find they can't be trusted to charge for things they actually do. Seems a bit ****ed up to me.

I just didn't support the implication that crooked dead people were getting this money as a part of the "great parasite nation" of "low information voters" that get blamed for every goddamn thing. I used your post to enter the discussion because you are pretty rational and I'm here to participate, not to sling insults and I could expect a reasonable, useful response from you.
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I don't believe I insulted you, or at least that wasn't my intention.

What I am saying is that it is just not the doctors who are dishonest. Other staff and government employees are as well.

We can see bureaucracies having parties on the public dime, charging expenses for things that should never have been included, using billions of dollars in crony capitalism, bribing sectors of the economy with taxpayer dollars, government bureaucracies with immense power working for a political party, 'stimulus' packages where trillions of dollars disappear and no one is quite sure where it all went.

That's not the private sector running up those kind of dollars, it's the government. And who is going to police the government once they get all the power they are seizing? Can we ever ask the government to curb their control over the private citizen once they have it? I don't think so.
 
Grant said:
That's not the private sector running up those kind of dollars, it's the government. And who is going to police the government once they get all the power they are seizing? Can we ever ask the government to curb their control over the private citizen once they have it? I don't think so.
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Of course we could. The problem is Lefties have their favored government entities they like to prop up, and Righties have their favored government entities they like to prop up. Every once in a while one side gains power and cuts authority of the things they don't like, then they greatly increase the power of the things they like: an overall increase in government power.
 
Grant said:
It was the government giving crooks taxpayers dollars. Do you genuinely believe all governments are honest, or just the US Government and its employees?
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So you are saying that it was deliberate by the government and not someone committing fraud? Got any evidence of that? Does that mean that if I cheat on my taxes then it is the governments fault too? That if I steal from the bank, that it is the banks fault for not stopping me?
 
Grim17 said:
If the government waste and incompetence is this bad with Medicare, what do you think it's going to be like when Obamacare fully kicks in?





Medicare paid millions to dead patients, illegal immigrants, probe finds - Washington Times
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I'm so excited.
Cannot wait for "lactation and maternity services, abortion services, speech therapy, mammograms, and fertility treatments". It's all inclusive... like Club Med! All you can eat and drink and then some! Brought to you by our caring and competent Socialist government.

VIVA!

I'll pass the speech therapy on to Obama, for he seems to struggle badly when he isn't cabled up to his telepromteur.
The abortion service... I guess that's ObamaKare itself.
Mammograms... hmmm... I must have missed that day of sex-ed.
Maternity services... no rodent warfare for this dude. Y'all can have rodents, and please... take care of them yourself. It doesn't take a village to raise a family. I ain't your village. Unless of course, I get on the Felonious Bill Clinton Plan, and can slip wifey the pork sword when you're off working for the government. But still... you take care of the rodents.
Fertility treatments? ROTFLOL... never mind...

I can't wait until they get Das Super-Sized Socialist System lubed up and ready to perform.

Of course, all this is much cheaper too!!!!

Hey, how do I sign up on healthcare.gov?
 
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Grant said:
And, as we can see, party supporters accept lying if it's there side who is doing it. No democracy can continue this way and last over the long term.
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Very true, when one comes to expect a used care salesman to be more truthful than any politician, President, Representatives, Senators and on down, this country has a big problem. People have become use to their candidates lying and telling you what they want to hear. I think it was Sam Donaldson who stated when in a discussion over promises made during a political campaign, he said, "No one expects any candidate to keep their campaign promises. To hold a candidate responsible for those promises made on the campaign trail is asinine." Perhaps not his exact words, but close enough. This is our political system today, lies, half-truths, out of context words, just tell the voters anything at all just to get their votes. After all, it was just campaign promises and the truth means nothing on the trail.
 
sangha said:
IOW, it's crooks in the private sector.

The same private sector the right worships and wants to leave our health care in the hands of.
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That would be the same private sector Obama and the Dems passed a law requiring everyone to be a part of.
 
It's especially annoying that I get a penalty on my taxes for not having healthcare even if I don't use any healthcare services, simply because they want my money to pay for OTHER people's healthcare issues.
 
reinoe said:
Of course we could. The problem is Lefties have their favored government entities they like to prop up, and Righties have their favored government entities they like to prop up. Every once in a while one side gains power and cuts authority of the things they don't like, then they greatly increase the power of the things they like: an overall increase in government power.
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I'd like some example of that because needless spending on programs established decades ago seem to continue just because the unionized bureaucracies involved will do everything can to protect their bureaucracies. That's their first rule.

Government power and control, especially on the fedeal level, continues to grow and an entirely new country is emerging because of these shifts in power. We'll be seeing the consequences of that before too long.
 
PeteEU said:
So you are saying that it was deliberate by the government and not someone committing fraud?
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Where did Isay that? Comprehensive reading is so very important.

Got any evidence of that?
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Of what? Something I didn't say?

Does that mean that if I cheat on my taxes then it is the governments fault too?
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Where did that come from?

That if I steal from the bank, that it is the banks fault for not stopping me?
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Thou shalt not steal, Pete!!
 
Grant said:
I'd like some example of that because needless spending on programs established decades ago seem to continue just because the unionized bureaucracies involved will do everything can to protect their bureaucracies. That's their first rule.

Government power and control, especially on the fedeal level, continues to grow and an entirely new country is emerging because of these shifts in power. We'll be seeing the consequences of that before too long.
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Farm bill and it's subsidies got expanded. Had nothing to do with federal bureaucracies and everything to do with lobbyist buying power+congresscritters protecting their pork projects.

Another example: Mitch McConnell increased the budget for a Dam project in Kentucky by 2 billion dollars in order to allow for a vote on the budget. Again, had nothing to do with "federal union bureaucrats" and everything to do with a member of congress getting pork.

Are you so blinded by your hatred that you'll scapegoat anyone as long as it's convenient? Jeez man you're one sad individual.
 
reinoe said:
Farm bill and it's subsidies got expanded. Had nothing to do with federal bureaucracies and everything to do with lobbyist buying power+congresscritters protecting their pork projects.
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Lobbyists can't expand or continue these policies on their own. There has to be government involvement. The lobbyist groups surrounding Obamacare will probably be the largest ever.

Another example: Mitch McConnell increased the budget for a Dam project in Kentucky by 2 billion dollars in order to allow for a vote on the budget. Again, had nothing to do with "federal union bureaucrats" and everything to do with a member of congress getting pork.
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Actually both sides said that money was necessary for the work to continue.
Are you so blinded by your hatred that you'll scapegoat anyone as long as it's convenient? Jeez man you're one sad individual.
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As a matter of fact I'm quite a cheerful sort, largely because I'm rich, good looking, and have many friends. But my obvious good fortune has nothing to do with this thread. Why not stick to the topic, despite your difficulties?
 
Grant said:
Lobbyists can't expand or continue these policies on their own. There has to be government involvement. The lobbyist groups surrounding Obamacare will probably be the largest ever.



Actually both sides said that money was necessary for the work to continue.
As a matter of fact I'm quite a cheerful sort, largely because I'm rich, good looking, and have many friends. But my obvious good fortune has nothing to do with this thread. Why not stick to the topic, despite your difficulties?
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You completely missed everything I said.


...unionized bureaucracies involved...
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The Farm Bill expansion had nothing to do with unions and everything to do with Congress supporting unnecessary pork because local representatives liked the pork. You asked for an example and you have it. That your comprehension is so limited that it doesn't stick really isn't my problem.

Actually both sides said that money was necessary for the work to continue.
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So it had nothing to do with "unionized bureaucracies"? How naive are you? It just so happens that the one of the things Mitch McConnell and the Dems agree on is that Kentucky needs more pork. And just in time to end the government shutdown. Yep, it's just a coincidence. It's a good thing Mitch McConnell, the Republican in the house that had sole authority to bring such bills to the floor just happens to be from Kentucky. I wonder if that funding would have gone through if McConnell was from Indiana or Minnesota...

But whatev. As long as there are blind sheep like you, government will always be able to expand it's power.
 
Obamacare increased the fraud protection measures in medicare.
 
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