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Docs Resisting ObamaCare

head of joaquin said:
That's happening now and has been for a decade. It has nothing to do with ACA.

Most insurance companies piggyback on Medicare charges so, except for Cadillac Plans, most doctors don't get paid more whether their patients are Medicare patience or in a typical plan. They complain bitterly about this every time Medicare comes out with a tighter pricing schedule, because the insurance companies follow shortly thereafter and negotiate similar prices.

The medical market of the past 25 years is unsustainable and will be swept away. Indeed, more and more hospitals are forming sister organizations to hire doctors as employees (hospitals are barred from directly hiring doctors), so the number of doctors who will be in private practice is expected to plummet. In the future most doctors will likely be employees, not private practitioners. Indeed, I suspect that this trend is somehow behind the garbled reporting of the OP.
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I have a friend who believes something similar.

He suggests the FedGov training and employing all doctors, nurses and aids. Building the medical schools and the hospitals, paying everyone set amount, etc... Sounds like pure Socialism to me.
 
WCH said:
I have a friend who believes something similar.

He suggests the FedGov training and employing all doctors, nurses and aids. Building the medical schools and the hospitals, paying everyone set amount, etc... Sounds like pure Socialism to me.
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Sounds like a good medical system to me, unlike our current one, which is totally dysfunctional.
 
head of joaquin said:
Sounds like a good medical system to me, unlike our current one, which is totally dysfunctional.
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Having experienced a recent hospital stay, it's hard for me to argue. :)

If we lose our great insurance, I can't imagine what that experience will be like.
 
WCH said:
Having experienced a recent hospital stay, it's hard for me to argue. :)

If we lose our great insurance, I can't imagine what that experience will be like.
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50 million Americans already know - the system doesn't insure them, unless they get so sick that they can walk into an ER, which is the most expensive inefficient way to treat public health ever invented.
 
head of joaquin said:
50 million Americans already know - the system doesn't insure them, unless they get so sick that they can walk into an ER, which is the most expensive inefficient way to treat public health ever invented.
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Psst.... A higher percentage of INSURED people actually use the ER. And you can expect those expensive, inefficient visits to actually go up under ACA.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba709
 
Stopandthink said:
Psst.... A higher percentage of INSURED people actually use the ER. And you can expect those expensive, inefficient visits to actually go up under ACA.

Emergency Room Visits Likely to Increase Under ObamaCare | NCPA
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Psst: they use it for it's intended purpose: emergency care. The uninsured don't go to doctors, so minor health problems become big ones and they wind up in ER.

That's about as stupid as Sarah Palin's talking points on quantum mechanics.
 
Grim17 said:
Anyone who becomes a doctor isn't stupid. I'm sure they took into consideration all factors before making such a decision, factors that I don't have the first clue about.
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Much easier it say stupid **** than do stupid ****. I would put much stock in Talk. Maggie's correct.
 
Grim17 said:
This could end up making medical care for everyone a total nightmare thanks to Obamacare. Think about it... What is going to happen if half the doctors in the US suddenly vanish?

Docs resisting ObamaCare | New York Post
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What else shall happen just to stop some of your money going towards helping your fellow Americans in desperate medical aid. Why is it such a big deal not to be as selfish over there?
 
DDD said:
What else shall happen just to stop some of your money going towards helping your fellow Americans in desperate medical aid. Why is it such a big deal not to be as selfish over there?
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Selfish?

Taking money from some people to give to other people is theft... It's stealing... Americans give more to charity and do more for those less fortunate than any other people in the world, so I don't want to hear "selfish" from you or anyone else.
 
Grim17 said:
Selfish?

Taking money from some people to give to other people is theft... It's stealing... Americans give more to charity and do more for those less fortunate than any other people in the world, so I don't want to hear "selfish" from you or anyone else.
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And I am to oblige by this wish of yours because...?
 
DDD said:
And I am to oblige by this wish of yours because...?
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Because not wanting the government to take our money and spend it the way they see fit, doesn't make anyone selfish. If we were selfish as you claim, then how come we give so much money to charity and help so many around the world in need?
 
Grim17 said:
Because not wanting the government to take our money and spend it the way they see fit, doesn't make anyone selfish. If we were selfish as you claim, then how come we give so much money to charity and help so many around the world in need?
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That is a really good question in fact. You are ready to help charity and people living across the oceans. But should your fellow countrymen be in need for medical aid, nuuuuuuuuuu!
 
head of joaquin said:
50 million Americans already know - the system doesn't insure them, unless they get so sick that they can walk into an ER, which is the most expensive inefficient way to treat public health ever invented.
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It is more efficient to go to your own doctor if you have insurance but, that requires making an appointment which could be days or weeks down the road. With the dwindling supply of doctors, that will only get worse.

I don't know about elsewhere but, urgent care clinics are popping up all over place around here.

Could that be the result of this system?
 
head of joaquin said:
Psst: they use it for it's intended purpose: emergency care. The uninsured don't go to doctors, so minor health problems become big ones and they wind up in ER.

That's about as stupid as Sarah Palin's talking points on quantum mechanics.
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Nice try. ER being flooded by the uninsured is a myth since it only accounts for a fraction of a percent of overall health care. Not real smart on your part to bring the issue up because it is only expected to be a larger problem once everyone has healthcare.
 
Grim17 said:
Because not wanting the government to take our money and spend it the way they see fit, doesn't make anyone selfish. If we were selfish as you claim, then how come we give so much money to charity and help so many around the world in need?
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If all taxes are theft, does that mean I get veto power over military spending?
 
Grim17 said:
Selfish?

Taking money from some people to give to other people is theft... It's stealing...
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Every dollar that any government collects goes to someone else, whether it be a government employee, a contractor building a road, a soldier, a teacher at a public school, aid to a foreign country etc. etc. etc...

Speaking in such absolutes makes your position look outright insane. You have taken an argument with valid points, the pro-low taxes argument, and taken it to an idiotic extreme.
 
The Man said:
I personally know two college graduates in the past year who opted not to go to medical school to pursue a career as a doctor specifically because of Obamacare. That's anecdotal, sure, but that's just in little old The Man's world. I'm sure plenty of others know of and have seen the same thing.
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Then those students are actually doing us a favor. We have enough doctors in the system who only care about riches and not the health of their patients.
 
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