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CBS: Thousand of policy cancellations[W:65]

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Gimmesometruth said:
Right over their pointy little heads.
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That's what the President wishes was still happening to those that were dumb enough to vote for him.
 
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MaggieD said:
I support the Affordable Care Act, GST, as I posted in this thread. And, as I also stated, the point the OP made is a valid one. President Obama either deliberately or accidentally misled the American people. Did you think he was perfect? Can't stand the idea that he made a mistake?

Go bother someone else. Your pig-tail pulling is tedious.
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Honey, if I recall correctly, it was you quoting me, I did not start this pathetic gotcha exercise.

No, you hang up.
 
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The heart of the matter is, they need people off of the typical plans and onto the new ones or they will go belly up. HHS created the regulations that eliminated these 7-11 million policies for that purpose.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost
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Translation: "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers coverage they don't want or need, in most cases, for higher cost"
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules.
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News
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None of which changes that the way this was sold to the public was claiming that if they liked their plan they could keep their plan.......and then regulations took that clear and broad statement and put in a giant "BUT" that they never once indicated nor suggested would be the case.

Making excuses or trying to justify it doesn't change the dishonest method in which it was sold to hte public.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Guess what, the President did not read the entire bill to you, there was a lot of details not discussed in the bill.
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This wasn't in the bill.

This was in the regulations an executive branch agency crafted after the bill was passed, in which they had full ability to decide how they wanted to pen those regulations. This was not a case of the President "not reading the bill" to people. This was a case of the President claiming one thing, and then when the actual law reached his branch of government that branch inserted a large "BUT" into the original statement that was never articulated to ANY degree.
 
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Zyphlin said:
None of which changes that the way this was sold to the public was claiming that if they liked their plan they could keep their plan.......and then regulations took that clear and broad statement and put in a giant "BUT" that they never once indicated nor suggested would be the case.

Making excuses or trying to justify it doesn't change the dishonest method in which it was sold to hte public.
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Yes yes, I agree, it was a cold calculated and fully intended lie by the President to deceive the American people. Obama is a criminal and should be impeached.

Does that make you feel better?

XOX.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Yes yes, I agree, it was a cold calculated and fully intended lie by the President to deceive the American people. Obama is a criminal and should be impeached.

Does that make you feel better?

XOX.
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Well, if you want to idiotically call him a criminal and suggest he can be impeached, more power to you. It seems your incapable of putting forth an actual argument against it so you have to put up this childish little facade, which frankly says plenty about the situation.
 
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Zyphlin said:
This wasn't in the bill.

This was in the regulations an executive branch agency crafted after the bill was passed, in which they had full ability to decide how they wanted to pen those regulations. This was not a case of the President "not reading the bill" to people. This was a case of the President claiming one thing, and then when the actual law reached his branch of government that branch inserted a large "BUT" into the original statement that was never articulated to ANY degree.
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Oh...so you are saying the President is not a scoundrel and a blatant liar?

I so confused!

Help me Obi Wan!
 
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Zyphlin said:
Well, if you want to idiotically call him a criminal and suggest he can be impeached, more power to you. It seems your incapable of putting forth an actual argument against it so you have to put up this childish little facade, which frankly says plenty about the situation.
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Me? I'm just mouthing those who use your argument.

How extreme do you wanna be? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Oh...so you are saying the President is not a scoundrel and a blatant liar?
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I'm stating he's a typical and common variety dishonest and manipulative politician whose just like most that came before him, who deliberately said what would sound good and be welcomed by the public in order to sell his legislation and whose agencies under his management immedietely set forth crafting regulation that basically assured those claims and "guarantees" to be largely incapable of being met.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I'm stating he's a typical and common variety dishonest and manipulative politician whose just like most that came before him, who deliberately said what would sound good and be welcomed by the public in order to sell his legislation and whose agencies under his management immedietely set forth crafting regulation that basically assured those claims and "guarantees" to be largely incapable of being met.
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Largely? Are you trying to argue that the vast majority of people who already have HI will NOT be able to retain the policy they have?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Largely? Are you trying to argue that the vast majority of people who already have HI will NOT be able to retain the policy they have?
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For those on the individual market, the administration has estimated 67-80% will lose their policies. That's somewhere in the 7-11 million range of lost policies. Not sure how many are family plans, but you would have to assume that the total number of people affected would be larger than that.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Me? I'm just mouthing those who use your argument.

How extreme do you wanna be? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Samhain said:
For those on the individual market, the administration has estimated 67-80% will lose their policies. That's somewhere in the 7-11 million range of lost policies. Not sure how many are family plans, but you would have to assume that the total number of people affected would be larger than that.
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A little back of the envelope...85% have coverage in the US...so @ 265 million.....and 11 million might have to switch to a plan with better coverage with some subsidy.

Uh...seems like "largely" the claim will be met.

But some folks like to deal in absolutes...which allows "gotcha".
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
A little back of the envelope...85% have coverage in the US...so @ 265 million.....and 11 million might have to switch to a plan with better coverage with some subsidy.

Uh...seems like "largely" the claim will be met.

But some folks like to deal in absolutes...which allows "gotcha".
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Or no subsidy...

Anyway, do you think it's worth it to cause hardship and turmoil to those 11 million people who already HAVE insurance?
 
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Mycroft said:
Or no subsidy...

Anyway, do you think it's worth it to cause hardship and turmoil to those 11 million people who already HAVE insurance?
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Do I think it is worth a very small number of people having to get better insurance with more than likely a subsidy in exchange for a lager number to be able to now have access/purchase insurance?

Yes, I do.

Oh snap....I just went personal....again.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Do I think it is worth a very small number of people having to get better insurance with more than likely a subsidy in exchange for a lager number to be able to now have access/purchase insurance?

Yes, I do.

Oh snap....I just went personal....again.
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1. 11 million is a SMALL number?

2. "Better" is a subjective value...something better left to the individual to decide. For example, a male, healthy, age 30, with a good paying job might not think a policy that requires maternity and mental illness coverage along with a higher premium to be better than the catastrophic plan he has now...especially when it is costing him more money.

You see, that is the fundamental problem with Obamacare...it is a one-size-fits-all, government-mandated solution to a problem that rightfully should be a personal responsibility...and a personal choice. Obamacare removes the choice and minimizes the responsibility.
 
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Mycroft said:
1. 11 million is a SMALL number?
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In comparison to 265M? Is thing on? Hello?

2. "Better" is a subjective value...something better left to the individual to decide. For example, a male, healthy, age 30, with a good paying job might not think a policy that requires maternity and mental illness coverage along with a higher premium to be better than the catastrophic plan he has now...especially when it is costing him more money.

You see, that is the fundamental problem with Obamacare...it is a one-size-fits-all, government-mandated solution to a problem that rightfully should be a personal responsibility...and a personal choice. Obamacare removes the choice and minimizes the responsibility.
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A boot strap argument ignoring the details of plans being offered.....while hypocritically ignoring the use of its own "subjective measures"......and devolving into rhetoric.

Sigh.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Largely? Are you trying to argue that the vast majority of people who already have HI will NOT be able to retain the policy they have?
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The only reason the same bloodbath isn't being experienced in the group plan/employer market is because Obama postponed that bloodbath until 2015.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
In comparison to 265M? Is thing on? Hello?

A boot strap argument ignoring the details of plans being offered.....while hypocritically ignoring the use of its own "subjective measures"......and devolving into rhetoric.

Sigh.
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LOL!!

Why don't you just come out and say you prefer a one-size-fits-all, government-mandated solution and that you don't care about the millions who get screwed?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
In comparison to 265M? Is thing on? Hello?

Sigh.
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Well then Obama should have said that GST. He should have said "Everyone who likes their insurance can keep insurance EXCEPT 11 MILLION PEOPLE." which according to you is a laughably low number. However, he didn't say that, which makes him a liar. Your excuses won't change that, and that quote will haunt Obama the rest of his life(along with this miserable policy). The sooner you start dealing with that reality the better off you'll be gimmesometruth.
 
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Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Why don't you just come out and say you prefer a one-size-fits-all, government-mandated solution and that you don't care about the millions who get screwed?
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To the Lubbos, givernment is a religion and therefore unquestionable.
 
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jmotivator said:
The only reason the same bloodbath isn't being experienced in the group plan/employer market is because Obama postponed that bloodbath until 2015.
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Switching policy = bloodbath.

I would point out the irony in relation to your avatar.....but that could be interpreted as "personal" and I might get banned.
 
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