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CBS: Thousand of policy cancellations[W:65]

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vasuderatorrent said:
The Affordable Care Act of 2010 was signed into law on March 23, 2010. This video doesn't prove lying. This video proves poor speculation.

Check the date folks. Just like your milk containers. I'm sure Obama has said this after March 23, 2010. I just don't want to encourage lazy thinking. This video is not evidence of a lie.
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Jeez. Check that date.

Yes, You Can Keep Your Health Plan | The White House

And don't forget, HHS made the regulation that cancelled the policies. The GOP is already in the editing room with the commercials. Wouldn't doubt if they don't hit the air by Friday.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
The Affordable Care Act of 2010 was signed into law on March 23, 2010. This video doesn't prove lying. This video proves poor speculation.

Check the date folks. Just like your milk containers. I'm sure Obama has said this after March 23, 2010. I just don't want to encourage lazy thinking. This video is not evidence of a lie.
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:lamo Of COURSE it proves lying. They were on the sales circuit.
 
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Samhain said:
With a short leash.
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Obama is a skilled politician. He has people tell the lies for him. He's not the only leader to use this strategy.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
sales circuit? What's that?
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Thats a few hundred speeches telling everyone how wonderful the ACA was going to be and why they should support it.
 
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MaggieD said:
That's hardly the point.
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Actually it IS the point of the reform. Too many people have poor policies that were devised to make money instead of paying benefits. What's the point of paying anything if it is not there when you need it?

Nearly two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows.

The study data, published online Thursday in The American Journal of Medicine, likely understate the full scope of the problem because the data were collected before the current economic crisis. In 2007, medical problems contributed to 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by about 50 percent.

“The U.S. health care financing system is broken, and not only for the poor and uninsured,” the study authors wrote. “Middle-class families frequently collapse under the strain of a health care system that treats physical wounds, but often inflicts fiscal ones.”
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http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/medical-bills-cause-most-bankruptcies/?_r=0
 
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iguanaman said:
Actually it IS the point of the reform. Too many people have poor policies that were devised to make money instead of paying benefits. What's the point of paying anything if it is not there when you need it?

Nearly two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/medical-bills-cause-most-bankruptcies/?_r=0
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There are likely millions of people who have (had) $10,000 deductible policies. Straight deductible. No pregnancy coverage. No tests covered. No medications covered. No nothing . . . until they've spent $10,000 (or even more) of their own money. Those kinds of policies are no longer available. This insurance isn't cheaper. It can't possibly be cheaper . . . than policies with those kinds of deductibles. Those people are losing their policies. Even those with a straight $5,000 deductible are going to be paying more. They have to be . . . because they're paying for everyone else.

I support it. But to those who believed it was going to be cheaper? I'd remind them that if it looks too good to be true? It is.
 
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iguanaman said:
Actually it IS the point of the reform. Too many people have poor policies that were devised to make money instead of paying benefits. What's the point of paying anything if it is not there when you need it?

Nearly two out of three bankruptcies stem from medical bills, and even people with health insurance face financial disaster if they experience a serious illness, a new study shows.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/medical-bills-cause-most-bankruptcies/?_r=0
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The ACA does nothing to stop that. Guaranteeing a plan cover maternity leave, even if you a 50-year old gay guy, does nothing but drive up the costs.

In the end, more people will lose their insurance because they can't afford the artificially high premiums, driven there by this law, than get it via the Medicaid expansion and premium subsidy offsets.

You will buy HBO and like it!
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
The Affordable Care Act of 2010 was signed into law on March 23, 2010. This video doesn't prove lying. This video proves poor speculation.

Check the date folks. Just like your milk containers. I'm sure Obama has said this after March 23, 2010. I just don't want to encourage lazy thinking. This video is not evidence of a lie.
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There you go. ""If you've got health insurance... You keep your own insurance. You keep your own doctor."

First Presidential Debate: Obama vs. Romney (Complete HD - Quality Audio) - YouTube
 
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VanceMack said:
Thats a few hundred speeches telling everyone how wonderful the ACA was going to be and why they should support it.
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I understand. I also understand that politics is a tricky business. In order for something to go through congress it has to have the support of 218 congressmen. That takes a little bit of wiggling, wheeling and dealing. Then it has to go through the Senate which requires 51 Senators to agree with what 218 congressmen decided. That is even trickier to accomplish.

Once the President got the convoluted bill on his desk, what is he supposed to do? Veto it? and say, "Nope". That's not good enough. It's going to make me look like a liar.

or Should he sign it into law, buy a bottle of champagne and give all of his buddies high five?

The real world is better than some of you think. Come and visit some time.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
I understand. I also understand that politics is a tricky business. In order for something to go through congress it has to have the support of 218 congressmen. That takes a little bit of wiggling, wheeling and dealing. Then it has to go through the Senate which requires 51 Senators to agree with what 218 congressmen decided. That is even trickier to accomplish.

Once the President got the convoluted bill on his desk, what is he supposed to do? Veto it? and say, "Nope". That's not good enough. It's going to make me look like a liar.

or Should he sign it into law, buy a bottle of champagne and give all of his buddies high five?

The real world is better than some of you think. Come and visit some time.
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You keep up these conniptions to excuse and justify all things Obama and you are going to sprain something. Just remember to limber up.
 
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VanceMack said:
You keep up these conniptions to excuse and justify all things Obama and you are going to sprain something. Just remember to limber up.
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This kind of stuff does happen in government.
 
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MaggieD said:
It's central to the point of why those policies have been ended, yes. The point that OP was making was that everyone was told they could keep their policies.
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Oh....it is a debate about full disclosure.

Sigh.

Guess what, the President did not read the entire bill to you, there was a lot of details not discussed in the bill.

I'm sure you can (and will) find plenty to whine about on that score.

FFS.
 
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Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations

It was predicted during the debates over this law that the purpose of Obamacare was to drive ALL insurance companies out of the market so there would be no market, paving the way for single-payer socialized medicine. The vast majority of insured people will lose their current insurance plans and be force to buy Obamacare. Obama Kool-Aid slurpers will defend this to the death.


Stay tuned....
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Oh....it is a debate about full disclosure.

Sigh.

Guess what, the President did not read the entire bill to you, there was a lot of details not discussed in the bill.

I'm sure you can (and will) find plenty to whine about on that score.

FFS.
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What?? You can't admit that he either accidentally or purposely misled the American people? Typical. FFS? Really?
 
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MaggieD said:
What?? You can't admit that he either accidentally or purposely misled the American people? Typical. FFS? Really?
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Yes, he was lying to you...on purpose.

You NEED that....so accept it, relish it, make it a signature.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, he was lying to you...on purpose.

You NEED that....so accept it, relish it, make it a signature.
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Why are you even on this site? Your posts, at least in this case, are a waste of band width.
 
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MaggieD said:
Why are you even on this site? Your posts, at least in this case, are a waste of band width.
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It is "bandwidth".

I said that if you want to cherish your empty victory, DO SO.

And you still are not happy.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, he was lying to you...on purpose.

You NEED that....so accept it, relish it, make it a signature.
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No. He did not lie to just her, he deliberately lied to every American, again.

Why is it that you think it is a good idea for a American President to lie to all of us? This same President is the one pushing for all Americans to have more faith in government and to rely more on government.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, he was lying to you...on purpose.

You NEED that....so accept it, relish it, make it a signature.
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Something that obviously you 100% approve of... That should tell people everything they need to know about progressivism.
 
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Right over their pointy little heads.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
It is "bandwidth".

I said that if you want to cherish your empty victory, DO SO.

And you still are not happy.
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I support the Affordable Care Act, GST, as I posted in this thread. And, as I also stated, the point the OP made is a valid one. President Obama either deliberately or accidentally misled the American people. Did you think he was perfect? Can't stand the idea that he made a mistake?

Go bother someone else. Your pig-tail pulling is tedious.
 
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