Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional
1.) but its not acceptance at all its just knowing. I know some states still deny equal rights to gays, i dont accept it.
Again, I see it as a form of acceptance. Not, obviously, full acceptance - but at the same time, you're willing to accept something you disagree with is going on to the point that you are not committing illegal acts to change it.
2.) no they are meaningless when talking about current rights and laws. Some morals and and some rights and laws line up but all morals aren't laws and rights nor will they ever be nor should the be in a free country like the US
I meant that some morals and opinions were considered to be rights, then codified into laws.
They're interrelated, but not the same thing, I suppose...
3.) which would negate the fact.
2+2= 4
if somebody interprets that two is actually 3 then there goes the factuality
but i do agree people do TRY and spin stuff all the time and uneducated people and people that simply dont care and people that like the spin batter go with the fallacy but at the end of the day it doesnt change the facts.
That's what I'm saying, though...facts are unchanging, but the
interpretation of said facts - which is the only thing most people see -
can change.
4.) they simply are not see #2 some of then line up, most do not, they never will nor should they. Morals are subjective so it will never happen.
Morals and opinions are subjective. Some of those were thrashed out into rights.
Rights are subjective, until codified into laws.
Interpretations of laws are subjective, until ruled on by courts.
Interpretations of rulings are subjective, until more rulings further clarify.
Everything is subjective, really - we've just formed a framework of rules, laws, and precedent that removes some of that subjectivity. Remove the framework...and everything is subjective again.
5.) its not two sides, its many sides
heck there are pro-lifers that tell other pro-lifers they aren't pro-lifers, who is right?
at minimum there are 3 groups, totally unlimited abortion, totally banned abortion and then people in the middle.
the hilarious part is the people in the middle which is the biggest group, SOME of them have themselves convinced they are so different and that many in the group are so opposite of them and evil. the whole thing is pretty funny. Its a denial of reality. Its a negation of factuality just like I was talking about earlier.
I suppose it is more than 2 sides - but those two sides are the vocal minority who currently are shown as the examples of what the discussion is.
The middle is really more of a motley collection of sides, none really disagreeing with the other.
But forget sides - IMO, none of the available options are acceptable.
The option of allowing abortions, even if only some, causes a human (or some other word/phrase that means "will be human but isn't yet") to die.
Fully or partially disallowing abortions takes rights away from a human, possibly even the right to life - assuming we're talking a life-threatening pregnancy here.
I do not accept any of these options.
But I do accept that we must choose one, for the moment.
6.) I agree but unless we are talking about changing rights and the constitution that is our starting point in this country. But you are right somebody will ALWAYS disagree and that's not the part i have a problem with, its the disguising of there disagreement under false terms.
Going a bit further, IMO any human decision making is guaranteed to be biased in some way - depending on what the bias is, I agree or disagree with the decision. As everyone does.....
We've already changed the rights and constitution multiple times. Our interpretation of same, even. Some agree with these changes, others do not.
7.) tell me about lol
not to mention, isnt it odd that we have discussed this long? what happened werent you told i was just going to attack you? weird. I wonder if it has anything to do with you just being honest, not lying, posting and identify your opinions and facts separately and just showing integrity whether we agree or not? imagine that! Probably is for some people what we just did is very hard.
the other funny thing is i remember you were one of the first people on my friends list when i joined years ago and there were things we did not agree on but i still added you for all the reason previously mentioned even if from time to time we do give eachother **** :shrug: so weird
Possibly.
