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Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional [W:167:202:330]

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A federal judge has determined that new Texas abortion restrictions violate the U.S. Constitution, a ruling that keeps open — at least for now — dozens of abortion clinics that were set to halt operations Tuesday had the law taken effect.

Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.
 
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Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.


Thats great news, trying to backdoor rights and healthcare based on morals and not the science and medical communities regulations is just silly anyway.

Its just dishonesty and they lost for now.

Now mind you if the medical community was in a majority agreeance and these BS regulations needed done for safety then by all means but thats factually not the case. Its all a smoke screen that nobody honest buys.
 
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It's time for the wingnuts who wanted the courts to rule Obamacare unconstitutional to start whining about judicial activism
 
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Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most
likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.

We all knew it was going to be challeneged and sent up to the Supreme Court where the law will be upheld through a 5 -4 decision.

The Texas legislation took all of that into acccount and some Lib Judge can't do anything about that.

Its not even note worthy.
 
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We all knew it was going to be challeneged and sent up to the Supreme Court where the law will be upheld through a 5 -4 decision.

The Texas legislation took all of that into acccount and some Lib Judge can't do anything about that.

Its not even note worthy.

Let's make a gentleman's bet. Loser has to wear the avatar the winner chooses for a month. My bet is that the Supreme Court will uphold this decision. If you are so sure they won't, then put your avatar where your mouth is. We got a bet?
 
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Once more, extremist ideology has been defeated in the courts. This will most likely move up to the Supreme Court, where I expect 2 things will happen.

1) SCOTUS will uphold the ruling, saying the Texas law places an undue burden on women.

2) Some here will call Justice Roberts a RINO. Never mind that he will have upheld the Constitution, and left ideology out of his decision.

Of course, for some of the "smaller government crowd, they really do want big government when it suits their own desires to force their own religious beliefs on others.

Article is here.

I'd be one that is for LIMITED small government, but within those limits is a protective function. To protect human life trumps other concerns for any rational human being.

Gotta say though, the judges bio is pretty good.... we'll see what happens up the chain.
 
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I'd be one that is for LIMITED small government, but within those limits is a protective function. To protect human life trumps other concerns for any rational human being.

Gotta say though, the judges bio is pretty good.... we'll see what happens up the chain.

With all due respect, I see a lot of people say that it's to protect life, and that there is nothing religious about it, but virtually every protest against an abortion clinic I have ever seen was done by a religious organization. Say what you will, but this issue IS about forcing religion down the throats of others.
 
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I'd be one that is for LIMITED small government, but within those limits is a protective function. To protect human life trumps other concerns for any rational human being.

Gotta say though, the judges bio is pretty good.... we'll see what happens up the chain.

exactly this is why abortion is legal but limited
theres TWO lives, not just one.
 
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With all due respect, I see a lot of people say that it's to protect life, and that there is nothing religious about it, but virtually every protest against an abortion clinic I have ever seen was done by a religious organization. Say what you will, but this issue IS about forcing religion down the throats of others.

Well naturally protecting life would be a religious concern and a moral concern that is a basic and self evident natural law.
 
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Well naturally protecting life would be a religious concern and a moral concern that is a basic and self evident natural law.

And that argument is what anti-abortionists use to hide behind their real agenda. Truth is, if my wife was raped, and became pregnant as a result of that rape, I would have no problem believing that I am going to heaven, even as she and I step inside the door of that abortion clinic.
 
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exactly this is why abortion is legal but limited
theres TWO lives, not just one.

Where "actual life" is the issue, rather than simply "quality of life" for one or the other, that may be a valid argument to make.
 
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And that argument is what anti-abortionists use to hide behind their real agenda. Truth is, if my wife was raped, and became pregnant as a result of that rape, I would have no problem believing that I am going to heaven, even as she and I step inside the door of that abortion clinic.

I would understand your decision, however I would rather punish the guilty, save the innocent, and have compassion upon the victim.
 
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It's time for the wingnuts who wanted the courts to rule Obamacare unconstitutional to start whining about judicial activism

At this point with regard to ACA, I'd prefer mass civil disobedience, refusing to fill medical lines on IRS forms. Can we have an AMEN!?
 
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Where "actual life" is the issue, rather than simply "quality of life" for one or the other, that may be a valid argument to make.

again 100% correct which IS the factual issue and why BOTH lives matter and not just one.
SOrry theres no changing the fact two lives are in the discussion and there's no way to grant equality one will always be the lesser in any decision made.
 
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I would understand your decision, however I would rather punish the guilty, save the innocent, and have compassion upon the victim.

Of course, in that case, I would consider my wife to be the innocent one, who should not be forced to carry the baby of a rapist.

BTW, I know it's an emotional issue, so I would like to say thank you for discussing this intelligently.
 
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At this point with regard to ACA, I'd prefer mass civil disobedience, refusing to fill medical lines on IRS forms. Can we have an AMEN!?

You don't even have to bother. Just adjust your witholdings so you owe at the end of the year( keep it below the 3k penalty ), and they cannot fine you. Its good practice anyway; you are giving the government an interest free loan if you get a return.
 
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With all due respect, I see a lot of people say that it's to protect life, and that there is nothing religious about it, but virtually every protest against an abortion clinic I have ever seen was done by a religious organization. Say what you will, but this issue IS about forcing religion down the throats of others.

With all due respect, abortion is murder and although legal if you support abortion then you are going to have to take that up with "your" God at sometime in the future. I doubt the "hearing" is going to go well for you.

I don't like getting into Abortion or religious debates because I know how strongly I believe in God. I am not going to change anyone else's mind so it is a waste of time therefore that is why I state you will have to reconcile your position someday in the future.
 
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With all due respect, abortion is murder and although legal if you support abortion then you are going to have to take that up with "your" God at sometime in the future. I doubt the "hearing" is going to go well for you.

I don't like getting into Abortion or religious debates because I know how strongly I believe in God. I am not going to change anyone else's mind so it is a waste of time therefore that is why I state you will have to reconcile your position someday in the future.

Thank you so much for proving my point.
 
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With all due respect, abortion is murder and although legal if you support abortion then you are going to have to take that up with "your" God at sometime in the future. I doubt the "hearing" is going to go well for you.

I don't like getting into Abortion or religious debates because I know how strongly I believe in God. I am not going to change anyone else's mind so it is a waste of time therefore that is why I state you will have to reconcile your position someday in the future.

i underlined the point where your argument runs into a problem.

if abortion is legal, how can it be classified as murder?
 
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i underlined the point where your argument runs into a problem.

if abortion is legal, how can it be classified as murder?

My belief and my God tell me that life begins at conception which means the killing of a human fetus and to me and by all definition that is murder. Because the law doesn't say that doesn't mean that it isn't murder. Nobody can claim that it isn't murder to take the life of a human fetus except the Federal Govt.
 
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i underlined the point where your argument runs into a problem.

if abortion is legal, how can it be classified as murder?

factually it cant be
it factually is not murder

having said that people are free to believe whatever they want even when facts prove them wrong
 
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factually it cant be
it factually is not murder

having said that people are free to believe whatever they want even when facts prove them wrong


And what facts would those be?

mur·der

noun

noun: murder; plural noun: murders

1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another

If life begins at conception then taking that life is murder
 
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1.)And what facts would those be?

mur·der


/ˈmərdər/


noun

noun: murder; plural noun: murders

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another

2.)If life begins at conception then taking that life is murder

1.)uhm the facts you just posted, thank you for posting that and confirming the facts i already posted

legal abortion is not murder :shrug:

you are free to believe whatever you want though

2.) nope, its not, you just proved that statment false
 
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1.)uhm the facts you just posted, thank you for posting that and confirming the facts i already posted

legal abortion is not murder :shrug:

you are free to believe whatever you want though

2.) nope, its not, you just proved that statment false

Legal abortion doesn't make it any less murder. The term unlawful is the only thing that keeps women and doctors out of jail. That doesn't mean that it isn't murder because it is the premeditated killing of a human being.
 
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1.)Legal abortion doesn't make it any less murder.
2.)The term unlawful is the only thing that keeps women and doctors out of jail.
3.)That doesn't mean that it isn't murder because it is the premeditated killing of a human being.

1.) again you are free to have that opinion but the fact is, abortion is legally not murder
2.) you mean the DEFINITIONS is what makes it not murder? correct because its not murder. Just like the definition of what a planet is doesnt make it a cat.
3.) yes, it does :shrug:

the very definition you posted proves you wrong.

no matter what you believe the fact remains abortion is legally not murder.

You should be thankful like i am that we live in a country that we are allowed to have our beliefs.

Would you like your opinions forced on people instead?
 
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