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Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional [W:167:202:330]

Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

You are also in danger every time you get behind the wheel of a car, that doesn't mean you have the right to kill anyone that get's too close. The point is, there is a threshold that must be reached before danger becomes "worthy" of self defense.

the threshold is its place of residence, inside another

your example is very poor, if theres somebody you dont want outside your car theres little you can do, if they are inside your house it changes dramatically and the situation here is inside your body. The common sense threshold is established not to mention existing legal and human rights.

the threshold is very clearly established.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

Self defense is "ok" because you are defending your most basic human right...the right to life.



No, if the fetus puts her life in danger, then she has the right to defend herself.



She has the right to protect her own life.



No, that is not why it's legal. Defending one's own life, even if it risk another, is a basic human right.


No, we cannot, in our society, just kill others to save ourselves. We can do it ONLY if we are attacked...with the "intent" to kill or do gross bodily harm. In that case, through "intent" to do harm, a *person* loses their right to life...just like when anyone in our society gives up certain rights when they commit a crime, usually they give up their right to liberty for a period of time. A fetus cannot form 'intent.'

We cannot kill to take someone else's liver to save ourselves. A mother cannot kill her toddler to take its heart or liver for a transplant. That is a more comparable analogy.

Not only that, our society, legally and apparently morally (even many pro-lifers agree) that we can terminate the fetus in cases of rape or incest. Can you name any laws where we allow killing a toddler that is the product of rape to protect the mother from mental anguish? (for example). Are there any circumstances where we can kill a *person* (by definition, already born) to save another person from mental anguish?

So no, the fetus does not have an equal right to life with the woman.
 
Re: Fed judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

No, we cannot, in our society, just kill others to save ourselves. We can do it ONLY if we are attacked...with the "intent" to kill or do gross bodily harm. In that case, through "intent" to do harm, a *person* loses their right to life...just like when anyone in our society gives up certain rights when they commit a crime, usually they give up their right to liberty for a period of time. A fetus cannot form 'intent.'

We cannot kill to take someone else's liver to save ourselves. A mother cannot kill her toddler to take its heart or liver for a transplant. That is a more comparable analogy.

Not only that, our society, legally and apparently morally (even many pro-lifers agree) that we can terminate the fetus in cases of rape or incest. Can you name any laws where we allow killing a toddler that is the product of rape to protect the mother from mental anguish? (for example). Are there any circumstances where we can kill a *person* (by definition, already born) to save another person from mental anguish?

So no, the fetus does not have an equal right to life with the woman.

Wow, you're all over the place. I didn't claim you can kill someone "just to save yourself". What I said is you can kill to save yourself from someone or something that is putting your life at risk.
 
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