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Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

apdst said:
What part of that requires American citizens to assign to one religion, or any religion?

Emphasis mine...
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To be fair, I think we both know the mindsets on which this was applied. I think I (even both of us being honest) can fairly say that this was a Christian idea, however, the law recognizes this as something different. You and I are correct that the LEGAL wording doesn't support ONE religion, but I think we can honestly say it was meant to support a Christian one (non legal sense).
 
Kobie said:
"In God we trust" on a public school is state endorsement of religion.
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You lefties crack me up...We have it on our money. is that and endorsement of religion to?:confused:
 
TheNextEra said:
To be fair, I think we both know the mindsets on which this was applied. I think I (even both of us being honest) can fairly say that this was a Christian idea, however, the law recognizes this as something different. You and I are correct that the LEGAL wording doesn't support ONE religion, but I think we can honestly say it was meant to support a Christian one (non legal sense).
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As the wicked witch of the west once said (Hillary) " its a big right wing conspiracy :lamo"
 
Navy Pride said:
As the wicked witch of the west once said (Hillary) " its a big right wing conspiracy :lamo"
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Everything is a conspiracy. They cancel each other out though, so it's fine.
 
apdst said:
But, not a state religion, nor does it abridge the free practice of religion.

Not allowing, "In God We Trust", abridges the free practice of religion.
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Ya know what. I want a picture of my dick plastered all over the town where you live. If you have a problem with it... too bad, stop infringing on MY RIGHTS!
 
Navy Pride said:
As the wicked witch of the west once said (Hillary) " its a big right wing conspiracy :lamo"
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That's funny coming from you considering everything you seem to hear from the left is a "Conspiracy".

BTW, I thought you had me on ignore? I mean you seem to put everyone on ignore that doesn't follow your line. Of course the funny thing is you so called "put me on ignore" even though I didn't vote for Obama but just called you out on your right wing nonsense.
Oh well, whatever floats your boat.
 
Navy Pride said:
You lefties crack me up...We have it on our money. is that and endorsement of religion to?:confused:
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Was it on our money when the country was FOUNDED? Tell me do you even know when it was put on our money? Can you tell us why it was put on our money?
 
TheNextEra said:
True, but there is now precedence to support it.

Much like Obamacare was originally a penalty, but then changed to a tax, this is the same way. BOTH were mistakes IMO, but there is now precedence to support them.
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Many see any tax as a penalty and the detractors of the ACA always called it a penalty...however if the Act calls for the IRS to regulate it it is most likely a tax. And that is how the SCOTUS saw it.
Precedence has little to do with constitutionality. Institutional racial segregation had lots of precedence but ultimately was found to be unconstitutional.
Precedence is a basis for legal argument but does not make for a guaranteed free ride.
 
Verax said:
Ya know what. I want a picture of my dick plastered all over the town where you live. If you have a problem with it... too bad, stop infringing on MY RIGHTS!
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Not to worry, no one will be able to see it.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Many see any tax as a penalty and the detractors of the ACA always called it a penalty...however if the Act calls for the IRS to regulate it it is most likely a tax. And that is how the SCOTUS saw it.
Precedence has little to do with constitutionality. Institutional racial segregation had lots of precedence but ultimately was found to be unconstitutional.
Precedence is a basis for legal argument but does not make for a guaranteed free ride.
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Actually you are incorrect precedence does in fact act as a legal argument for a free ride. When the SCOTUS makes a decision it is VERY hard (not impossible though) for someone to over change that. Usually it takes at least a generation and some presidential stacking to accomplish a change.
 
In God We Trust is fine.

Which God? Cthulu? Invisible Pink Unicorn? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

My two problems is: 1)this is the type increments zealots like to make before making more dramatic steps 2) Required? See point #1.
 
Verax said:
Ya know what. I want a picture of my dick plastered all over the town where you live. If you have a problem with it... too bad, stop infringing on MY RIGHTS!
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I doubt it would be a very big pictire, anyway, so go for it.
 
TheNextEra said:
To be fair, I think we both know the mindsets on which this was applied. I think I (even both of us being honest) can fairly say that this was a Christian idea, however, the law recognizes this as something different. You and I are correct that the LEGAL wording doesn't support ONE religion, but I think we can honestly say it was meant to support a Christian one (non legal sense).
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I don't disagree, however there's nothing here that forces any kind of requirenent on anyone.
 
apdst said:
I don't disagree, however there's nothing here that forces any kind of requirenent on anyone.
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Yeah... except the bill itself. :roll:
 
Hard Truth said:
I think schools should post signs that say "Don't trust God to take care of you, pay attention and do the work."
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and right under that:

"Don't trust government to take care of you, pay attention and do the work."
 
apdst said:
How so? Show us the text of the bill that does that
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Bill Text: PA HB1728 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Introduced | LegiScan

(a) Board of directors.--The board of directors of every
school district in this Commonwealth shall display the motto "In
God We Trust," which is declared in 36 U.S.C. § 302 (relating to
national motto) to be the national motto of the United States,
in each school building.

Form.--The display of the motto "In God We Trust" may
take the form of, but is not limited to, a mounted plaque or may
include artwork as a result of a student contest that will be
prominently displayed in each school building.
Section 20. Effective date.
This act shall take effect in 60 days.

It sets requirement, form and date for it to be done. It's a mandate. :shrug:
 
I think they meant: In God We Lust. It seems that way sometimes.
 
Hatuey said:
Bill Text: PA HB1728 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Introduced | LegiScan

(a) Board of directors.--The board of directors of every
school district in this Commonwealth shall display the motto "In
God We Trust," which is declared in 36 U.S.C. § 302 (relating to
national motto) to be the national motto of the United States,
in each school building.

Form.--The display of the motto "In God We Trust" may
take the form of, but is not limited to, a mounted plaque or may
include artwork as a result of a student contest that will be
prominently displayed in each school building.
Section 20. Effective date.
This act shall take effect in 60 days.

It sets requirement, form and date for it to be done. It's a mandate. :shrug:
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Nowhere does it mandate anyone to practice any certain religiin.
 
Navy Pride said:
You lefties crack me up...We have it on our money. is that and endorsement of religion to?:confused:
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We addressed the money thing already.

Everything, and I mean everything, is left-right with you. "Lefty" this and "leftwing" that.
 
Kobie said:
We addressed the money thing already.

Everything, and I mean everything, is left-right with you. "Lefty" this and "leftwing" that.
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He wants to help me prove my sig line correct.
 
digsbe said:
It's not, and it's also on our money which is legal.
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Our money isn't money, though. American green backs are privatly owned by the federal reserve, not the government.
 
apdst said:
Nowhere does it mandate anyone to practice any certain religiin.
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Here is your statement:

there's nothing here that forces any kind of requirenent on anyone.
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That, because of the bill's language is unequivocally false. You'd do well to remember what you post.
 
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