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Pa. House gets bill to post 'In God We Trust' in schools

Hard Truth said:
I think schools should post signs that say "Don't trust God to take care of you, pay attention and do the work."
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That'd be just as bad.
 
apdst said:
But, not a state religion, nor does it abridge the free practice of religion.

Not allowing, "In God We Trust", abridges the free practice of religion.
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Yet requiring it, does.
 
TheNextEra said:
God could still mean multiple religions. God is not strictly Christian alone. I know many that use God as in to mean something greater. Regardless, I think their time would be better spent on other endeavors than this one if they "truly" want to help people.
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Exactly. But being that this is in this country and the God is going to be of the religion of those proposing it... I think it's more than a safe bet. Like I said in my last post... this is politicians using religion as a sleight of hand. I'd bet if someone dug a little, they'd see that something is coming down the pipe in Harrisburg and they'd rather not have people looking at it.
 
Hard Truth said:
I think schools should post signs that say "Don't trust God to take care of you, pay attention and do the work."
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The Libbos would sure as hell be pissed off about that...lol!
 
Always great to remember the story of Judge Roy Moore:

"Early prayer/Ten Commandments controversy
Roy Moore's wooden Ten Commandments plaque.

When Moore's tenure as circuit judge began, he brought his wooden Ten Commandments plaque with him, hanging it on the walls of his courtroom behind his bench. Moore told the Montgomery Advertiser that his intention in hanging the plaque was to fill up the bare space on the courtroom walls and to indicate the importance of the Ten Commandments. He states that it was not his intention to generate controversy; still, as he told the Atlantic, he understood that the potential for controversy was there, but "I wanted to establish the moral foundation of our law."

Soon after his appointment, when Moore presided over a case where two male strippers (known professionally as "Silk" and "Satin") were charged with murdering a drug addict, the attorney for the defendants objected to the display. This drew the attention of critics, who also objected to Moore's practice of opening court sessions with a prayer beseeching Divine Guidance for jurors in their deliberations. (In at least one instance, Judge Moore asked a clergyman to lead the court's jury pool in prayer.) Though such pre-session prayers were not uncommon in Alabama, having begun many years earlier by George C. Wallace, Jr., when he was a circuit judge, the local branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sent a letter in June 1993 with the threat of a lawsuit if such prayers did not cease.

On June 20, 1994, the ACLU sent a representative to Moore's courtroom to observe and record the pre-session prayer. Though the organization did not immediately file suit, Moore decried the action as an "act of intimidation" in a post-trial press conference. The incident drew additional attention to Moore just as he was campaigning to hold onto his circuit court seat. In that year's election, Moore won the seat in a landslide victory over local attorney Keith Pitts, who had (unsuccessfully) prosecuted the "Silk and Satin" murder case."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
 
TheNextEra said:
God could still mean multiple religions. God is not strictly Christian alone. I know many that use God as in to mean something greater. Regardless, I think their time would be better spent on other endeavors than this one if they "truly" want to help people.
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Good point, because every religion refers to their diety as "God".
 
apdst said:
I'm not seeing anyone being required by law to practice religion.
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No, but if this bill passes, it would require public schools to post some form of the national motto "In God We Trust" somewhere.

That seems to be supporting one religion (you can get into semantics about "it's the national motto" if you want, I suppose) over another.

Not all religions believe in the same God (or whatever they call it in whatever religion).
 
ecofarm said:
**** that.
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My response was more along the lines of "why the hell are you doing this when more important matters are hanging around, just waiting to bite us in the ass."
 
The Mark said:
My response was more along the lines of "why the hell are you doing this when more important matters are hanging around, just waiting to bite us in the ass."
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Too lengthy.
 
apdst said:
There's no mandate.
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HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) - A bill that would require Pennsylvania's public school districts to display "In God We Trust" in all public school buildings has cleared its first legislative hurdle.
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Emphasis mine.
 
Kobie said:
Emphasis mine.
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It's only the 5th word in the entire article, one would think it would be noticed.


Then again, it isn't a mandate YET. It just passed a committee, so far.

Edit: From the article I posted starting the thread:
House Bill 1728 was reported out of the House Education Committee by a 14-9 vote Wednesday.
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I find it curious that people are for establishing a mix of religion and state as long as the religious mix is juuuuuust vague enough that it can't pinned to one faith. As if everyone is religious.
 
The Mark said:
No, but if this bill passes, it would require public schools to post some form of the national motto "In God We Trust" somewhere.

That seems to be supporting one religion (you can get into semantics about "it's the national motto" if you want, I suppose) over another.

Not all religions believe in the same God (or whatever they call it in whatever religion).
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All religions believe in god(s).
 
poweRob said:
I find it curious that people are for establishing a mix of religion and state as long as the religious mix is juuuuuust vague enough that it can't pinned to one faith. As if everyone is religious.
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As much as you don't like it, and I don't like it, MANY laws are based on vagueness. How do you think Obamacare passed through SCOTUS? First it was a penalty, then it was a tax.

Happens every day. I wish it didn't, but that is the world we live in.
 
spud_meister said:
Surely requiring it violates the free exercise of irreligion.

Personally, I'd like to see the phrase written in all the schools in Arabic, and see how the people who supported it react.
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Allahu Akbar!
 
digsbe said:
It's not, and it's also on our money which is legal.
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First put on coins in 1861 The motto was designed to make soldiers believe that God was on the side of the Union Army during the Civil war.
First put on paper currency in 1957. Big mistake.
Both are absolutely violations of the constitution ... promotion of religion by government.
Should have stuck with E Pluribus Unum. ( From the many One)
There is no place that the government should promote religion ...especially the public schools.
 
Buck Ewer said:
First put on paper currency in 1957. Big mistake.
Should have stuck with E Pluribus Unum. ( From the many One)
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True, but there is now precedence to support it.

Much like Obamacare was originally a penalty, but then changed to a tax, this is the same way. BOTH were mistakes IMO, but there is now precedence to support them.
 
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