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Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

Repubs must have Kangaroo courts every week until the election to turn around the polls in their minds..

We will have another shutdown and debt ceiling debacle..

How long did it take for Social Security to be completely on line--about 7 years .

We'll see, but from the when the law was first passed to today, the numbers have been roughly the same. 40% for 50% against. But one thing the Democrats have going is most Americans although opposed to the law have reluctantly have come to the conclusion it ain't going anywhere.
 
Repubs are terrified that citizens in states like Kentucky, that actually are signing up at a rate of 1,000 a day,
that never had insurance, will vote BLUE..
Helps to have a DEM. gov. who isn't spending millions to sabotage ACA..
And he praised Repub gov. Kasich in Ohio for extending Medicaid, who now faces Repub lawsuits .
We'll see, but from the when the law was first passed to today, the numbers have been roughly the same. 40% for 50% against. But one thing the Democrats have going is most Americans although opposed to the law have reluctantly have come to the conclusion it ain't going anywhere.
 
Repubs are terrified that citizens in states like Kentucky, that actually are signing up at a rate of 1,000 a day,
that never had insurance, will vote BLUE..
Helps to have a DEM. gov. who isn't spending millions to sabotage ACA..
And he praised Repub gov. Kasich in Ohio for extending Medicaid, who now faces Repub lawsuits .

How many of the new sign ups have sent checks to the insurance company for their coverage?
 
Repubs are terrified that citizens in states like Kentucky, that actually are signing up at a rate of 1,000 a day,
that never had insurance, will vote BLUE..
Helps to have a DEM. gov. who isn't spending millions to sabotage ACA..
And he praised Repub gov. Kasich in Ohio for extending Medicaid, who now faces Repub lawsuits .

I don't know Linc. I just can't get it out of my head the way it was passed. No matter if the ACA turned out to be the best thing that ever happened, I will remember the bribes, the so called LA purchase or cornhusker kickback. The extra arm twisting, the threats, the bribes to get it passed. I think this is why I dislike McCaskill too, 60% of Missourians said no, she voted yea and on and on. The threats of no campaign cash unless you vote yea, no one can ever say this bill passed on its merits regardless if you were for or against. Pelosi's ridiculous statement, you must pass it before you can read it or something there abouts.

At that point I stopped caring about what was in it, whether it was good or bad. In fact I refused to read it. Stalin would have been proud of the strong arm tactic used. So I became a poll watcher and more interested in whether the ACA would effect elections results. the fact the democrats feel they could get a bill passed over the objections of 55% of the people when only about 35% were for it, I suppose they feel very proud about that. McCaskill, Nelson, Landreiu, Pryor and a few more all represented states where 60% of the people of their state were telling them no. But as I have stated, they told the people who voted for them, who elected them to stick it where the sun don't shine.

As a result of not listening to the people 2010 happened. Then came the reluctant acceptance that the law ain't going away. 2012 was a status quo election. The republicans couldn't give the people enough reasons to change what they had. It is true I would rather continue on with Obama than Romney, but I could never vote for either. One business as usual candidate is as good as the next, so you might as well stick with the devil you have than the devil you don't know. But I did know and Romney I didn't trust.

sorry about the rant.
 
Howdy MMC, fairness rarely enters the political fray. Common sense neither. There are only a few senators who actually will put the people they represent ahead of their party. All the rest basically toe the party line or are forced to toe the party line.

I agree.

Definition - Politics: A collection of interests disguised as ideologies. LOL.
 
How many of the new sign ups have sent checks to the insurance company for their coverage?
When are those checks due??
Reagan and Co. opposed Medicare..
How'd that work out for you guys ?
 
I don't know Linc. I just can't get it out of my head the way it was passed. No matter if the ACA turned out to be the best thing that ever happened, I will remember the bribes, the so called LA purchase or cornhusker kickback. The extra arm twisting, the threats, the bribes to get it passed. I think this is why I dislike McCaskill too, 60% of Missourians said no, she voted yea and on and on. The threats of no campaign cash unless you vote yea, no one can ever say this bill passed on its merits regardless if you were for or against. Pelosi's ridiculous statement, you must pass it before you can read it or something there abouts.
Do we really need to go back before 02/2009 and see all of the wonderful gifts of corrupt government and capitalism..
I know, intel was so good we have 4,500 empty chairs around the dinner tables tonight in the USA..
Democrats were accused of anti-Patriotism voting against a rushed-in Iraqi war..
But Obama was not allowed to even bomb Syria due to rightist phony outrage .
 
Do we really need to go back before 02/2009 and see all of the wonderful gifts of corrupt government and capitalism..
I know, intel was so good we have 4,500 empty chairs around the dinner tables tonight in the USA..
Democrats were accused of anti-Patriotism voting against a rushed-in Iraqi war..
But Obama was not allowed to even bomb Syria due to rightist phony outrage .

I for one am glad we didn't bomb Syria. I thought the Iraq war was wrong too. But I favored Afghanistan.
 
At that point I stopped caring about what was in it, whether it was good or bad. In fact I refused to read it.
You have never not cared..
You continue to care by discussing ACA..
Stalin would have been proud of the strong arm tactic used.
Stalin would have just murdered them..
How many tens of millions dead??
Stalinist comparisons from you??
As a result of not listening to the people 2010 happened.
You are ignoring 100% with this statement at Repub peril that disaffected Dem groups did not vote, mid-terms are always a loss for POTUS and TEArabble had formed by FOX..
You also ignore negative Repub onslaught from day one of their idea .
 
Obama did not have the same chance to bomb Syria as Bush/Cheney had to go to Iraq..
Because of the way Bush/Cheney handled the Iraqi war..
I for one am glad we didn't bomb Syria. I thought the Iraq war was wrong too. But I favored Afghanistan.
Wow--just heard the Sheldon Adelson tape, another Republican Billionaire donor .
 
West Virginia at the moment is just about as red as any red state can get. Manchin is a conservative democrat who just happened to win in a state where Democrats have no business winning. If Bloomberg wants his seat, I thought he was Mayor of NYC who hasn't much common sense to begin with IMO, he'll have to wait until the election in November of 2018 to challenge him.

I do not think even Senator Reid will give Manchin a hard time, Reid is a smart politician and party loyalest. He knows Machin means one vote for his continued senate leadership position and it is better to have a Manchin coming from West Virginia who will vote with the Democrats 70% of the time than a Republican coming from West Virginia who will always vote against the Democrats 100% of the time. This fact is something the Republican Party has lost track of. In choosing their senate candidate, in a few states none of the GOP party members have really given winning in the general election enough thought. Look at Indiana and Missouri last year, to a lesser extent North Dakota and Montana.

WV isn't nearly so red as its Kentucky neighbors. They expanded medicaid I think even further than was anticipated IIRC. Coal Jobs v, Environment are always present in their politics, with neither side ever being the clear winner. They have some very pro-victim and pro-worker laws. There are some pretty effed up things in WV law too like I could not even come into the state to depose a witness in my capacity as a lawyer without being licensed in the state or hiring a WV lawyer to file an ancillary lawsuit in that state just for the purpose of conducting a freaking deposition without being guilty of unauthorized practice of law. They are definitely poor conservative oriented--it is just a matter of how the arguments are framed to them.
 
You have never not cared..
You continue to care by discussing ACA..

Stalin would have just murdered them..
How many tens of millions dead??
Stalinist comparisons from you??
You are ignoring 100% with this statement at Repub peril that disaffected Dem groups did not vote, mid-terms are always a loss for POTUS and TEArabble had formed by FOX..
You also ignore negative Repub onslaught from day one of their idea .

Perhaps you are right on my caring, I was at Ft. Campbell watching C-Span at the time when all this occured. All I could do was shake my head. Is this what this country become, all about party and not the people. Shouldn't the representatives represent the people in their district, not their party. Shouldn't senators represent the people of their state and not their party. Sure they get elected as Republicans and Democrats, but doesn't the wishes of the people mean anything? Doesn't the wishes of those who sent them to Washington count for anything? Apparently not, the only thing that counts is the Republican Party or the Democratic Party's agenda. If that is not what the people want, to heck with them.

I was basically against the two major parties since my time with Perot, that reinforced it. That maybe why I voted third party in 5 of the last 6 elections. You see, I can remember when the elected officials pretty much voted in line with the wishes of the people back home. When the tea party came along, I thought they were special as kindred souls fighting for reduction to the debt, not anymore. They too can go fly a kite. Sorry about the Stalin reference, but I was on a rant. But when a political party will more or less force some members to vote directly against the very people they represent, that got me mad and yes, I still haven't gotten over that. In fact for the first time in my life I was one who voted a stright Republican ticket in 2010.

The Republicans ain't no better at times, there was always a Snowe, perhaps a McCain, a Collins, a Luger, and a few more that seemed to buck their party when the GOP tried the samething. Perhaps Pelosi and Reid were just better at the strong arm tactics.

Yeah I hear about those who didn't vote, but they were mad at being ignored either. That must be normal, only around 30% of the people vote in mid term elections vs. 55% in presidential.

Maybe I am just too old fashioned as I believe one can elected a republican or a democrat, but they are sent to washington to represent the people who elected them.
 
Obama did not have the same chance to bomb Syria as Bush/Cheney had to go to Iraq..
Because of the way Bush/Cheney handled the Iraqi war..

Wow--just heard the Sheldon Adelson tape, another Republican Billionaire donor .

Both parties have them. Adelson if I am not mistaken gave Gingrich around 3 or 4 million to continue his presidential campaign against Romney. I never heard of him before gave Newt all that money.
 
WV isn't nearly so red as its Kentucky neighbors. They expanded medicaid I think even further than was anticipated IIRC. Coal Jobs v, Environment are always present in their politics, with neither side ever being the clear winner. They have some very pro-victim and pro-worker laws. There are some pretty effed up things in WV law too like I could not even come into the state to depose a witness in my capacity as a lawyer without being licensed in the state or hiring a WV lawyer to file an ancillary lawsuit in that state just for the purpose of conducting a freaking deposition without being guilty of unauthorized practice of law. They are definitely poor conservative oriented--it is just a matter of how the arguments are framed to them.

I understand. So much is all depended on how an argument is framed.
 
I don't know Linc. I just can't get it out of my head the way it was passed. No matter if the ACA turned out to be the best thing that ever happened, I will remember the bribes, the so called LA purchase or cornhusker kickback. The extra arm twisting, the threats, the bribes to get it passed. I think this is why I dislike McCaskill too, 60% of Missourians said no, she voted yea and on and on. The threats of no campaign cash unless you vote yea, no one can ever say this bill passed on its merits regardless if you were for or against. Pelosi's ridiculous statement, you must pass it before you can read it or something there abouts.

At that point I stopped caring about what was in it, whether it was good or bad. In fact I refused to read it. Stalin would have been proud of the strong arm tactic used. So I became a poll watcher and more interested in whether the ACA would effect elections results. the fact the democrats feel they could get a bill passed over the objections of 55% of the people when only about 35% were for it, I suppose they feel very proud about that. McCaskill, Nelson, Landreiu, Pryor and a few more all represented states where 60% of the people of their state were telling them no. But as I have stated, they told the people who voted for them, who elected them to stick it where the sun don't shine.

As a result of not listening to the people 2010 happened. Then came the reluctant acceptance that the law ain't going away. 2012 was a status quo election. The republicans couldn't give the people enough reasons to change what they had. It is true I would rather continue on with Obama than Romney, but I could never vote for either. One business as usual candidate is as good as the next, so you might as well stick with the devil you have than the devil you don't know. But I did know and Romney I didn't trust.

sorry about the rant.

I don't consider that stating the truth is ranting! And what you posted is what have a large percentage of Americans shaking their heads :no: in frustration for the way this was handled! Pelosi's statement was one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard...basically she said it's a secret surprise that you won't know about until you agree beforehand to accept i!t I don't know any four-year old kids that would agree to something like that, cause all surprises aren't fun, and they know it even at that age! :screwy:
 
I don't consider that stating the truth is ranting! And what you posted is what have a large percentage of Americans shaking their heads :no: in frustration for the way this was handled! Pelosi's statement was one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard...basically she said it's a secret surprise that you won't know about until you agree beforehand to accept i!t I don't know any four-year old kids that would agree to something like that, cause all surprises aren't fun, and they know it even at that age! :screwy:

I think I am getting way too old for today's politics. I believe a representative or senator should represent those who sent them to Washington first and political party second. That is suppose to be what it is all about. Giving the people a say. But it does seem party politics has won in a big, big way.
 
I understand. So much is all depended on how an argument is framed.

West Virginians are easily offended so it is all about how you frame it. I have relatives in WV, and own an old farm there i.e. a stand of woods on a big creek they called a river where my great grandparents farm used to be that my mother made me buy when it was for sale for practically nothing because it almost takes a helicopter to even reach it is so off the beaten path down dirt road after dirt road of fallen trees, ruts, and hills. I have only been out to it once, but one of my uncles and his buddies will go up there from NC a few times a year and ATV in to camp and hunt a few days at a time or my cousins from another part of WV will drive over to it for a day. Pretty place, but there is no economy there to speak of.
 
West Virginians are easily offended so it is all about how you frame it. I have relatives in WV, and own an old farm there i.e. a stand of woods on a big creek they called a river where my great grandparents farm used to be that my mother made me buy when it was for sale for practically nothing because it almost takes a helicopter to even reach it is so off the beaten path down dirt road after dirt road of fallen trees, ruts, and hills. I have only been out to it once, but one of my uncles and his buddies will go up there from NC a few times a year and ATV in to camp and hunt a few days at a time or my cousins from another part of WV will drive over to it for a day. Pretty place, but there is no economy there to speak of.

The days of a self-sufficient farm is pretty well gone. Heck the family farm has disappeared too.
 
The days of a self-sufficient farm is pretty well gone. Heck the family farm has disappeared too.

They still exist. It very often requires the farmers to live on not much more than minimum wage level salaries unless they are large operations. We have several in my area that have adopted some interesting business models like turning ponds into fish farms; the subscribe to the box o'veg clubs; and the like.

This particular farm literally is woods now. The GGP's moved out when they got old, it was sold to someone who used it as a retreat for awhile before it ended up in the hands of someone whom I was told timbered it at least once. Other than remnants of old foundations and an old well that my uncle knows where it is but I have no clue, there is nothing on it now but trees and some open spots along the water where floods have kept the trees back. I have zero interest in the place, but if having the old homestead my mom can remember as a little girl loving to visit back in the family makes her happy, I will hold onto it and hope that one day Bigfoot is spotted on the place discovering Gold or something so I can make the money back. :) Really one of my brothers wants it when he retires to build a home on, so I am going to bleed him dry when the time comes.
 
See that little blue dot just to the right of center on the first chart in the link below? Thats Sen. Manchin...and he's the only blue dot that is to the right of center in the senate.......


https://www.govtrack.us/about/analysis#ideology
 
See that little blue dot just to the right of center on the first chart in the link below? Thats Sen. Manchin...and he's the only blue dot that is to the right of center in the senate.......


https://www.govtrack.us/about/analysis#ideology

Mornin Moot.
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Looks like there are 10 Democrats that knows whats Right.....huh? :lol: ..... :2razz:
 
They still exist. It very often requires the farmers to live on not much more than minimum wage level salaries unless they are large operations. We have several in my area that have adopted some interesting business models like turning ponds into fish farms; the subscribe to the box o'veg clubs; and the like.

This particular farm literally is woods now. The GGP's moved out when they got old, it was sold to someone who used it as a retreat for awhile before it ended up in the hands of someone whom I was told timbered it at least once. Other than remnants of old foundations and an old well that my uncle knows where it is but I have no clue, there is nothing on it now but trees and some open spots along the water where floods have kept the trees back. I have zero interest in the place, but if having the old homestead my mom can remember as a little girl loving to visit back in the family makes her happy, I will hold onto it and hope that one day Bigfoot is spotted on the place discovering Gold or something so I can make the money back. :) Really one of my brothers wants it when he retires to build a home on, so I am going to bleed him dry when the time comes.

I was born and raised on a farm, a little over a 100 acres with a bunch of woods. We did alright, we traded equipment with the neighbors, they would use or corn picker and we they hay bailer and so forth. But in the end my dad sold the farm and someone with a few thousand acres bought it. He had all this huge fancy equipment. We also had hogs so that helped.
 
When are those checks due??
Reagan and Co. opposed Medicare..
How'd that work out for you guys ?

Just over 5% of the people that opened an account in Kentucky applied for health insurance. 5%. But of those that did, those checks will be due more sooner than later and I'd be surprised if half of the 5% send them in. At this time I can't find the numbers of dead people that have applied for any type coverage in Kentucky so it's possible that some of the 5% is already dead. Maybe you found some numbers on the dead folks that have applied for coverage there but as yet, I can't find any.

Speaking of Medicare, the taxes people pay for that program have gone up from 2.9% to as high as 7.6%. The better question to ask is how is that going to help somebody find a job in America and how does that work out for Americans.
Lets hear your solutions to keeping that program afloat without raises taxes again or without rationing health care. And once again, how is that going to work out for Americans?
 
GOP will cheer against ACA like they did Social Security and Medicaid..Besides Hillary, the SUCCESS of the ACA is the GOP's greatest fear..
 
I was born and raised on a farm, a little over a 100 acres with a bunch of woods. We did alright, we traded equipment with the neighbors, they would use or corn picker and we they hay bailer and so forth. But in the end my dad sold the farm and someone with a few thousand acres bought it. He had all this huge fancy equipment. We also had hogs so that helped.


People in my area did awesome as farmers until Clinton started the path to kill tobacco. Hell you didn't even need to farm your land--you just needed to own land with an allotment and you'd do okay as you could sharecrop or rent out your allotment.
 
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