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Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay..... [W:31]

Guess you weren't up on those House Members speaking out. Like the Democrat Nolan leading the charge.....huh?

So what do you have to say about Obama delaying it for 6 weeks now?

I wasn't aware but 6 weeks is a lot less than a year, its also understandable given the healthcare.gov problems. I think in general this pill isn't going to get any easier to swallow with time, so no more delays.
 
This is comical. The Republicans were demanding the mandate be delayed during the shutdown and all the libs kept sqwaking "settled law! settled law!" to everyone within earshot. Now two weeks later the Democrats begin mumbling about delaying the mandate. FORGET IT! If it's "settled law" it should be enacted as was stated when the bill when through Congress. Since when does the President have the power to just alter large aspects of major government bills as his whim!?

Two weeks ago the left demanded the law be enacted AS IS! The GOP should now demand the same thing: AS IS.
 
A single man is not a sign of a trend.

Also delaying the individual mandate would be the dumbest thing that could be done with this law, worse than repealing it, since the individual mandate is a big part of what pays for the law in the first place. Its unpopular sure, but keeping your child on your insurance till he's 26, not being denied for pre-existing conditions, etc is not free.

yep, someone has to pay for it. Someone out there will be certainly paying for it. True also is a single senator is not a trend. A question to the republicans now gloating. The website will be fixed, then what?
 
A single man is not a sign of a trend.

Also delaying the individual mandate would be the dumbest thing that could be done with this law, worse than repealing it, since the individual mandate is a big part of what pays for the law in the first place. Its unpopular sure, but keeping your child on your insurance till he's 26, not being denied for pre-existing conditions, etc is not free.



7 Senate Democrats support delay. So officially now the majority of Senators support delaying the mandate.
 
7 Senate Democrats support delay. So officially now the majority of Senators support delaying the mandate.

Heya JM. :2wave: Yeah that's why I mentioned the House Democrats too.

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats.....

In a speech on the House floor Wednesday, Rep. John Barrow, a Blue Dog Democrat from Georgia, called on the president to delay implementation of the law’s individual mandate, which is set to be enforced Jan. 1.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., asked President Obama to extend the open enrollment period beyond the current date of March 31, 2014, until the website glitches are fixed, arguing that the problems have dampened people’s ability to sign up for the exchanges.

Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who like Shaheen is up for re-election in 2014, announced his support for the New Hampshire senator’s call to extend open enrollment in the exchanges and asked the administration to clarify how it would enforce the individual mandate.....snip~

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats - ABC News
 
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Cease the personal comments, people.
 
7 Senate Democrats support delay. So officially now the majority of Senators support delaying the mandate.

Looking at the names of these senators, none are what I would classify as the extreme left senators. But all all up for re-election next year outside of Manchin who is a conservative Democrat. If Tester, Heitkamp, Donnelly and a couple of other more moderate Democratic senators join this group of seven the delay will happen. I do not think the extreme left senators like Reid, Murray Schummer, Warren, McCaskill, will ever join this group. But I could be wrong.
 
Heya JM. :2wave: Yeah that's why I mentioned the House Democrats too.

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats.....

In a speech on the House floor Wednesday, Rep. John Barrow, a Blue Dog Democrat from Georgia, called on the president to delay implementation of the law’s individual mandate, which is set to be enforced Jan. 1.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., asked President Obama to extend the open enrollment period beyond the current date of March 31, 2014, until the website glitches are fixed, arguing that the problems have dampened people’s ability to sign up for the exchanges.

Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who like Shaheen is up for re-election in 2014, announced his support for the New Hampshire senator’s call to extend open enrollment in the exchanges and asked the administration to clarify how it would enforce the individual mandate.....snip~

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats - ABC News

Mark Pryor is an interesting case, he trail Rep Cotton in the polls for next year and that poll was after the shutdown. Arkansas is GOP territory and I would wager he goes down next year. He was one of the most vocal senators back in 2010 for the ACA. But don't hold your breath for landrieu of LA to join these senators, she is comfortable ahead of any Republican opposition and after all, she was bribed to vote for the ACA and against the people who elected her.
 
Mark Pryor is an interesting case, he trail Rep Cotton in the polls for next year and that poll was after the shutdown. Arkansas is GOP territory and I would wager he goes down next year. He was one of the most vocal senators back in 2010 for the ACA. But don't hold your breath for landrieu of LA to join these senators, she is comfortable ahead of any Republican opposition and after all, she was bribed to vote for the ACA and against the people who elected her.

bribed with what exactly?
 
Mark Pryor is an interesting case, he trail Rep Cotton in the polls for next year and that poll was after the shutdown. Arkansas is GOP territory and I would wager he goes down next year. He was one of the most vocal senators back in 2010 for the ACA. But don't hold your breath for landrieu of LA to join these senators, she is comfortable ahead of any Republican opposition and after all, she was bribed to vote for the ACA and against the people who elected her.

Well, more are jumping ship and note what Colorado Says.



Several Democratic senators this week called for Mr. Obama to extend the enrollment period and to consider delaying the tax penalties that will be levied against Americans who don’t have coverage.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire Democrat, led the call Tuesday, and on Wednesday two of her colleagues, Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark L. Pryor of Arkansas, joined her.

House Democrats received a briefing Wednesday morning about progress in fixing the website from a top Health and Human Services official. Afterward, Democratic leaders said they didn’t talk about delaying the individual mandate and that it was too early to make that judgment.

“I think that we’re certainly not at that bridge, and I don’t know that we’ll get there,” said Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Maryland Democrat, said. “Right now, I think the president is doing everything in his power to bring in all the expertise he needs to resolve this problem. If we can send a man to the moon, we ought to be able to resolve this. We will be able to resolve this.”

Nevertheless, one Democratic lawmaker did call for a delay Wednesday — for a wealthy ski-resort county in his Colorado district suffering from severe sticker shock. Rep. Jared Polis said in article published on Solutions, a Colorado health policy website, that “we will be encouraging a waiver” of the sign-up penalty for Summit County, which hasn’t had a single enrollment yet for the state’s Obamacare exchange

Several Democrats did say the president should hold his aides accountable for the hiccups, including Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus....snip~

More Democrats push for delay in Obamacare mandate - Washington Times
 
why celebrate somthing that the i.r.s can already allow:

6. What are the statutory exemptions from the requirement to obtain minimum essential coverage?

Religious conscience. You are a member of a religious sect that is recognized as conscientiously opposed to accepting any insurance benefits. The Social Security Administration administers the process for recognizing these sects according to the criteria in the law.
Health care sharing ministry. You are a member of a recognized health care sharing ministry.
Indian tribes. You are a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe.
No filing requirement. Your income is below the minimum threshold for filing a tax return. The requirement to file a federal tax return depends on your filing status, age and types and amounts of income. To find out if you are required to file a federal tax return, use the IRS Interactive Tax Assistant (ITA).
Short coverage gap. You went without coverage for less than three consecutive months during the year. For more information, see question 22.
Hardship. The Health Insurance Marketplace, also known as the Affordable Insurance Exchange, has certified that you have suffered a hardship that makes you unable to obtain coverage.
Unaffordable coverage options. You can’t afford coverage because the minimum amount you must pay for the premiums is more than eight percent of your household income.
Incarceration. You are in a jail, prison, or similar penal institution or correctional facility after the disposition of charges against you.
Not lawfully present. You are not a U.S. citizen, a U.S. national or an alien lawfully present in the U.S.


22. What qualifies as a short coverage gap?

In general, a gap in coverage that lasts less than three months qualifies as a short coverage gap. If an individual has more than one short coverage gaps during a year, the short coverage gap exemption only applies to the first gap.

Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

of course this is from the IRS's own website, so call this information what you want to call it.
 
Looking at the names of these senators, none are what I would classify as the extreme left senators. But all all up for re-election next year outside of Manchin who is a conservative Democrat. If Tester, Heitkamp, Donnelly and a couple of other more moderate Democratic senators join this group of seven the delay will happen. I do not think the extreme left senators like Reid, Murray Schummer, Warren, McCaskill, will ever join this group. But I could be wrong.


Still more will continue to come out now.

Meanwhile, House Democrats are starting to worry aloud about persistent problems with the rollout.

Rep. Richard Nolan, D-Minn., told The Associated Press the computer fiasco has "damaged the brand" of the health care law.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/healt...lame-obama-administration.html#post1062461346

More and more are becoming vocal.
 
Well, more are jumping ship and note what Colorado Says.



Several Democratic senators this week called for Mr. Obama to extend the enrollment period and to consider delaying the tax penalties that will be levied against Americans who don’t have coverage.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire Democrat, led the call Tuesday, and on Wednesday two of her colleagues, Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark L. Pryor of Arkansas, joined her.

House Democrats received a briefing Wednesday morning about progress in fixing the website from a top Health and Human Services official. Afterward, Democratic leaders said they didn’t talk about delaying the individual mandate and that it was too early to make that judgment.

“I think that we’re certainly not at that bridge, and I don’t know that we’ll get there,” said Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Maryland Democrat, said. “Right now, I think the president is doing everything in his power to bring in all the expertise he needs to resolve this problem. If we can send a man to the moon, we ought to be able to resolve this. We will be able to resolve this.”

Nevertheless, one Democratic lawmaker did call for a delay Wednesday — for a wealthy ski-resort county in his Colorado district suffering from severe sticker shock. Rep. Jared Polis said in article published on Solutions, a Colorado health policy website, that “we will be encouraging a waiver” of the sign-up penalty for Summit County, which hasn’t had a single enrollment yet for the state’s Obamacare exchange

Several Democrats did say the president should hold his aides accountable for the hiccups, including Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus....snip~

More Democrats push for delay in Obamacare mandate - Washington Times

We will see what happens. But just because the web site isn't working is no reason for the GOP to start rejoicing. Keep in mind, that web site will be fixed.
 
Still more will continue to come out now.

Meanwhile, House Democrats are starting to worry aloud about persistent problems with the rollout.

Rep. Richard Nolan, D-Minn., told The Associated Press the computer fiasco has "damaged the brand" of the health care law.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/healt...lame-obama-administration.html#post1062461346

More and more are becoming vocal.

I keep checking RCP for the most recent polls since the crash of the web site. There haven't been any. But I have a feeling the web site crash will be like the shutdown, in a couple of months both will be ancient history and things will return to normal. I also would like to see a party affiliation poll also.
 
Have you tried the Paul Ryan website for RyanCare??
I keep checking RCP for the most recent polls since the crash of the web site. There haven't been any. But I have a feeling the web site crash will be like the shutdown, in a couple of months both will be ancient history and things will return to normal. I also would like to see a party affiliation poll also.
One thing you can be sure of, the Republican Issa's kangaroo courts will be ongoing until the election next year,
guaranteeing that NOTHING will go away .
 
MMC;1062462402So what do you have to say about Obama delaying it for 6 weeks now?[/QUOTE said:
a wise move
 
a wise move

Not if it leaves people getting fined within a 90 day period on the switchout.....it aint. But then I wonder who that affects most.....huh?
 
Have you tried the Paul Ryan website for RyanCare??

One thing you can be sure of, the Republican Issa's kangaroo courts will be ongoing until the election next year,
guaranteeing that NOTHING will go away .

You know what I said about the shutdown and Americans having a very short memory. The same thing applies to the website. It will be fixed. Come February of next year, both will be ancient history. My interest in the poll, especially RCP is the gap between those opposed vs. favor closed from 14-19 points to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. I am interested if the website crash or glitches will have the same effect, perhaps moving the numbers back to where they were before the shutdown.
 
Heya JM. :2wave: Yeah that's why I mentioned the House Democrats too.

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats.....

In a speech on the House floor Wednesday, Rep. John Barrow, a Blue Dog Democrat from Georgia, called on the president to delay implementation of the law’s individual mandate, which is set to be enforced Jan. 1.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., asked President Obama to extend the open enrollment period beyond the current date of March 31, 2014, until the website glitches are fixed, arguing that the problems have dampened people’s ability to sign up for the exchanges.

Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., who like Shaheen is up for re-election in 2014, announced his support for the New Hampshire senator’s call to extend open enrollment in the exchanges and asked the administration to clarify how it would enforce the individual mandate.....snip~

Calls to Delay Obamacare Mandate Divide Democrats - ABC News
Another great sign of the diversity of the big-tent Democrats..
It's good to hear Democrats being honest..
Not like the lock-step Repubs in the House led by Cruz..
What say you about Walker and Kasich extending Medicaid, as Repub govs?
 
You know what I said about the shutdown and Americans having a very short memory. The same thing applies to the website. It will be fixed. Come February of next year, both will be ancient history. My interest in the poll, especially RCP is the gap between those opposed vs. favor closed from 14-19 points to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. I am interested if the website crash or glitches will have the same effect, perhaps moving the numbers back to where they were before the shutdown.

I doubt it...those affected (uninsured) are the beneficiaries of the ACA.
 
You know what I said about the shutdown and Americans having a very short memory.The same thing applies to the website.
Repubs must have Kangaroo courts every week until the election to turn around the polls in their minds..
Come February of next year,
We will have another shutdown and debt ceiling debacle..
My interest in the poll, especially RCP is the gap between those opposed vs. favor closed from 14-19 points to 4-10 points because of the shutdown. I am interested if the website crash or glitches will have the same effect, perhaps moving the numbers back to where they were before the shutdown.
How long did it take for Social Security to be completely on line--about 7 years .
 
Another great sign of the diversity of the big-tent Democrats..
It's good to hear Democrats being honest..
Not like the lock-step Repubs in the House led by Cruz..
What say you about Walker and Kasich extending Medicaid, as Repub govs?



Well.....Better yet what do you got to say about Repubs wanting a healthcare system that crossed state lines for years but the Democrats were always against it due to state regulations and those that differed from each other?

When you figure out why the GOPS didn't go behind closed doors without the Democrats, create their own law, and then force it on everybody in order to make it work. Give me a holler.
 
And they are changing the polls everydat, like the 19,000 in KY who now haqve insurance for the first time in their lives..
The Democratic governor of Kentucky has been all in instead of sabotage and makes a great case for ACA..
And, he praised Repub gov. Kasich in Ohio for extending Medicaid, which Repubs are taking to court .
I doubt it...those affected (uninsured) are the beneficiaries of the ACA.
 
And they are changing the polls everydat, like the 19,000 in KY who now haqve insurance for the first time in their lives..
The Democratic governor of Kentucky has been all in instead of sabotage and makes a great case for ACA..
And, he praised Repub gov. Kasich in Ohio for extending Medicaid, which Repubs are taking to court .

This is true...there are a lot of people in red states that are benefiting from the ACA. That I think is the true reason Republicans will go through anything in order to stop it. They claim it's some sweet tooth analogy or something, well I guess that's kind of true but sure...individuals that now have insurance will be pissed and vote against you if you try and take it away now. There's also ALOT! of uninsured individuals in the deep south and red states.
 
Well.....Better yet what do you got to say about Repubs wanting a healthcare system that crossed state lines for years but the Democrats were always against it due to state regulations and those that differed from each other?
I assume you're ready to back that up..
Most Repub plans look like ACA, a Repub plan..
When you figure out why the GOPS didn't go behind closed doors without the Democrats
GOPs have never done this in your history rewrite..
 
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