'Delay’ suddenly not a dirty word at White House

[j-mac]

WHITE HOUSE OPENS DOOR TO OBAMACARE DELAY - As the federal government teetered on the brink of shutdown at the end of last month, the White House and Senate Democrats flatly refused a Republican emergency spending bill that would have kept the government open but delayed ObamaCare’s requirement that individuals purchase health insurance by March 31 or face a fine. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded to a GOP counteroffer by saying Republicans had “lost their minds.” But after an epic failure of a launch for the new health insurance entitlement and with the partial shutdown over, “delay” suddenly isn’t a dirty word anymore. With many of those subject to the fine unable to sign up due to manifold botches in the enrollment process, Democrats are warming up to the idea.[A new ABC/WaPo poll finds 54 percent of respondents believe the problems plaguing ObamaCare’s Web site reflect a larger problem with President Obama’s signature entitlement program.]
Delay tactics - After President Obama owned up to the fact that the main Web site for enrollment is not working as it should, White House Press Secretary Jay Carneywas asked if the administration is looking for flexibility in applying the mandate. Carney indicated that a delay was not just possible, but that it may already be allowed by the law: “The law is clear that if you do not have access to affordable health insurance then you will not be asked to pay a penalty because you haven’t purchased affordable health insurance.” It would stand to reason that if the president claims the power to delay the fines for large employers by a year, as he already did, he could claim the power to pardon individuals.
[“Your website is so f***ed we have use the same strategy that we used to salvage the Iraq war?” – Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart discussing President Obama’s announced “tech surge” to repair the ObamaCare Web site.]

'Delay

Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

 

[penn1954]

Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

I hope you're right but I'm not gonna hold my breath that they"ll succeed!:twocents:

 

[Slyfox696]

So they are willing to delay in the interest of fairness to Americans, rather than partisan politics, and this is news?

 

[ItAin'tFree]

Obamadon'tcare is the gift that keeps on giving to the GOP. Just wait until more and more people get stuck paying more and getting less from their health insurance. The Dems just keep on digging their hole. Just about all the people that end up on Medicaid would have voted for the Dems without Obamadon'tcare. The people that lose their health insurance, have to pay more for their health insurance, lose their jobs or get their hours cut, well, they know exactly who to blame. And they will.

 

[j-mac]

I hope you're right but I'm not gonna hold my breath that they"ll succeed!:twocents:

Well, who knows what the huge majority of "uninformed voters" out there will fall for, but when you have outlets like MSNBC being forced to ask embarrassing questions in the daily presser, as done yesterday by Chuck Todd, I have to hold out hope that we are succeeding at marginalizing the Obama propaganda machine to an extent.

 

[ItAin'tFree]

So they are willing to delay in the interest of fairness to Americans, rather than partisan politics, and this is news?

Great spin. LOL. But people having problems with Obamadon'tcare know who is responsible for the disaster. It ain't the GOP.

 

[donsutherland1]

Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

Had Ted Cruz and his allies refrained from linking the ACA to government funding and the debt ceiling and simply had the patience and discipline to wait for concrete data to become available, the GOP would have been looking very good with its having expressed concerns about the ACA. They didn't. As a result, even if the President extends deadlines/delays enforcement of the mandate, the GOP will have squandered a tactical and perhaps even strategic policy opportunity all the while racking up huge negatives in recent polling.

 

[Erod]

The more angst and ridicule hurled at Cruz you hear, the more you know he's resonating with people and making liberals, and politicians in general, nervous. And I'm not a Ted Cruz person, per se. Just an observation.

And yes, I think Congress, in general, should be nervous. Over the next few election cycles, you could see many of the long-timers on both sides scraped out of their comfortable seats.

There's a different kind of Civil War brewing. People are hopping mad at their government like never before. Trust is at an all-time low. Tempers are flaring. Passivity is dropping. Demand for integrity and transparency is increasing. The lies from their government and media, trying to divide everyone at every turn, is childish and disgusting. This just won't do.

Anyone with half a brain sees that government healthcare is going to be a viral abortion of a program. People don't want it. Not this. They want something ENTIRELY different. They want to start over and re-think the whole thing, and they don't want the government to be in charge of any of it when it's in place.

This is going to get ugly.

 

[Erod]

Had Ted Cruz and his allies refrained from linking the ACA to government funding and the debt ceiling and simply had the patience and discipline to wait for concrete data to become available, the GOP would have been looking very good with its having expressed concerns about the ACA. They didn't. As a result, even if the President extends deadlines/delays enforcement of the mandate, the GOP will have squandered a tactical and perhaps even strategic policy opportunity all the while racking up huge negatives in recent polling.

Ninety percent of the people that voted for Obama wouldn't understand a word you just wrote. They don't watch gubment on TV. That's the problem with your point. They'll vote for the "D" like they always do, because that stands for "Da free stuff!"

 

[MaggieD]

Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.

 

[Deuce]

I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.

Ironic that Republicans have been striving to make this happen.

 

[rocket88]

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

I LOL when you say you're not a Republican, then write stuff like this.

It's only going to be rough for Dems if the Republicans figure out their civil war. They're not going to win if they're fighting each other.

As far as the poll saying "replace everyone," may I remind you that there are a number of Republicans in Congress. So replacing "everyone" includes them, wouldn't you think?

 

[jmotivator]

Ironic that Republicans have been striving to make this happen.

Democrats built this dung heap from the ground up. Be proud!

 

[poweRob]

I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.

No worries. Their cardiac arrest will be covered under Obamacare.

 

[j-mac]

Had Ted Cruz and his allies refrained from linking the ACA to government funding and the debt ceiling and simply had the patience and discipline to wait for concrete data to become available, the GOP would have been looking very good with its having expressed concerns about the ACA. They didn't. As a result, even if the President extends deadlines/delays enforcement of the mandate, the GOP will have squandered a tactical and perhaps even strategic policy opportunity all the while racking up huge negatives in recent polling.

The part in bold, especially the italic part will never happen. That would mean that Obama would have to say that Cruz was right....He won't do that.

I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.

Why would that be the case? I mean, they already have been able to reap the benefits of a premium boom due to the mandates on this turd of a law, and as we know well, in that industry, what goes up, stays up....So, I actually think that pulling the plug on this and starting over would actually settle them down a bit.

 

[Michael66]

As much as it's desirable that Americans be taught a good lesson on the obvious need for health care for all, sadly it does look like Obamacare is on track and it's going to be the law of the land soon. GOP sabotage of the website is just not enough to kill it.

This means that soon America will have death panels and will be killing their children and grannies just like we do in Canada.
In Canada we have certain secret devices to kill with but in America where there are lots of guns it's going to be much faster and easier!

 

[poweRob]

As much as it's desirable that Americans be taught a good lesson on the obvious need for health care for all, sadly it does look like Obamacare is on track and it's going to be the law of the land soon. GOP sabotage of the website is just not enough to kill it.

This means that soon America will have death panels and will be killing their children and grannies just like we do in Canada.
In Canada we have certain secret devices to kill with but in America where there are lots of guns it's going to be much faster and easier!

And cheaper.

 

[Samhain]

And cheaper.

You forgot to add in the Carousel and Sandmen.

 

[j-mac]

I LOL when you say you're not a Republican, then write stuff like this.

It's only going to be rough for Dems if the Republicans figure out their civil war. They're not going to win if they're fighting each other.

As far as the poll saying "replace everyone," may I remind you that there are a number of Republicans in Congress. So replacing "everyone" includes them, wouldn't you think?

My political leanings in this particular case is irrelevant. Just because I agree with repubs more than I agree with liberals shouldn't be a particularly surprising thing to you.

And you are correct, the "throw the bums out!" attitude could very well strike at repubs in the house and senate as well, but IMHO, this relatively minor flap is NOTHING compared to the anger that is going to steadily build this next year as the elections come up, with Obamacare being felt more and more, and failing, coupled with the arrogance of the administration that has always been there, with NO accountability for their foul ups...

Remember, it isn't just this....It's

Obamacare
Benghazi
IRS scandal
NSA spying on American's
etc.

How long can the corruption of this administration, and its useful tools out there continue to ignore these things before people just say, 'it's too much!'????

 

[j-mac]

As much as it's desirable that Americans be taught a good lesson on the obvious need for health care for all, sadly it does look like Obamacare is on track and it's going to be the law of the land soon. GOP sabotage of the website is just not enough to kill it.

This means that soon America will have death panels and will be killing their children and grannies just like we do in Canada.
In Canada we have certain secret devices to kill with but in America where there are lots of guns it's going to be much faster and easier!

:doh What the hell is the matter with you?

 

[Michael66]

And cheaper.

I wouldn't say cheaper. The gas we have made in Syria is quite .................. Oh, I'm not supposed to say how Canada's death panels do the job.

 

[Michael66]

:doh What the hell is the matter with you?

I think I'm a commie but that shouldn't make any difference. As for the talk about death panels, I've never seen them at work but I've heard Sarah Palin talk about them and she must have. Besides, people go missing in Canada at times and there's no other explanation. They obviously don't get shot dead with guns!

 

[Dickieboy]

I say, if they delay the fine and the individual mandate, the actuaries at insurance companies are going to go into cardiac arrest.

Ironic that Republicans have been striving to make this happen.

Yep, and as folks have been 'conditioned' since PPACA passage to expect something this merely eases the paving of the single payer pathway...going back to pre-PPACA will be unacceptable to these folks...WTF was the GOP thinking?

 

[rocket88]

My political leanings in this particular case is irrelevant. Just because I agree with repubs more than I agree with liberals shouldn't be a particularly surprising thing to you.

It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.

And you are correct, the "throw the bums out!" attitude could very well strike at repubs in the house and senate as well, but IMHO, this relatively minor flap is NOTHING compared to the anger that is going to steadily build this next year as the elections come up, with Obamacare being felt more and more, and failing, coupled with the arrogance of the administration that has always been there, with NO accountability for their foul ups...

Remember, it isn't just this....It's

Obamacare
Benghazi
IRS scandal
NSA spying on American's
etc.

How long can the corruption of this administration, and its useful tools out there continue to ignore these things before people just say, 'it's too much!'????

Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.

 

[Perotista]

Although they are stopping short of delaying the individual mandate, it is clear now that the WH is severely nervous about the roll out, and what their tantrum over the shut down, and their refusal to even negotiate the delay is now going to cost them politically.

This may have turned out to be the most brilliant strategy of the TEA Party to date...Think about it...Cruz, and the rest, have solidly established the republican party as the party against Obamacare, and the individual mandate. Now, it is failing right out of the gate, and those in the know, are saying that there are worse problems as it continues to go into effect. Setting up the antics of demo's, of refusing to talk, name calling, and the whole gambit of basic Alinsky tactics that demo's today employ as reasons NOT to vote for them any time in the future.

Obama's Job Approval Declines to 44.5% in 19th Quarter

Poll: Nearly half say replace everyone in Congress

I think demo's are in for a rough 2014, and 2016...It is possible to see the house majority strengthen, and the loss of the Senate to repub control in 2014, regardless of the MSM running cover for demo's as expected.

What say you?

I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.

Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.

Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.

Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?