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Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups [W:165]

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Dr. Chuckles said:
Uhh, terrorists tend to intentionally target civilians. In the OP you cite instances where civilians are collateral damage. Before entering this discussion, you should be able to clearly distinguish between these two
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Yes, distinguishing between civilians and terrorists is important, perhaps that should be done before a drone attack is launched.
 
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Before Obama's drone strikes it used to be bombing with Cruise missiles of whole villages in order to eliminate one bad guy in the midst of a hundred or more civilians. Now it's bombing one bad guy where two or three civilians 'may' be close enough to be killed too.

Neither being excusable of course but the rabid right haters and racists would never be capable of admitting the obvious difference!
 
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Michael66 said:
Before Obama's drone strikes it used to be bombing with Cruise missiles of whole villages in order to eliminate one bad guy in the midst of a hundred or more civilians. Now it's bombing one bad guy where two or three civilians 'may' be close enough to be killed too.

Neither being excusable of course but the rabid right haters and racists would never be capable of admitting the obvious difference!
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Bush used drones before Obama. Did you praise him as well?
 
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rjay said:
Yes, distinguishing between civilians and terrorists is important, perhaps that should be done before a drone attack is launched.
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You think it's not??
 
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rjay said:
Yes, distinguishing between civilians and terrorists is important, perhaps that should be done before a drone attack is launched.
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If not, we can always let Allah sort them out.

He'll know who goes where.
 
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ecofarm said:
Bush used drones before Obama. Did you praise him as well?
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I don't know if Bush2 used drones to the extent Obama is using them. Or more accurately probably, is that there is little difference in how either of them used drones. That's probably because of once again the racist hate for Obama while Bush2 using drones was either mostly ignored or even applauded by some.

So what's the difference other than many American haters and racists now have a black president to hate?

Are the racists ever embarrassed over being told the obvious?
 
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Michael66 said:
I don't know if Bush2 used drones to the extent Obama is using them. Or more accurately probably, is that there is little difference in how either of them used drones. That's probably because of once again the racist hate for Obama while Bush2 using drones was either mostly ignored or even applauded by some.

So what's the difference other than many American haters and racists now have a black president to hate?

Are the racists ever embarrassed over being told the obvious?
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So, you did praise Bush when he used drones?
 
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ecofarm said:
So, you did praise Bush when he used drones?
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I don't see this as a partisan issue. During the drone strike era we have had a President from each party. We have support for the program from Democrats and Republican alike. Eventually one party may decide that drone strikes need to be drastically curtailed. Then it will become a partisan issue. Right now though, I think most Americans, regardless of party preference, support the program.

No matter how shortsighted it is :)
 
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Analysis: Drone discrepancy – The Express Tribune (Nov.1)
^ shows the Pakistani figure must be off 'target'

'Signature Strikes' and the President's Empty Rhetoric on Drones | Arianna Huffington
^ shows the term "militant" is widely misused, and more uncounted civilian deaths

,,,,, called a "signature strike." This is when the CIA or the military makes the decision to fire based not on who the targets are but on whether they are exhibiting suspicious patterns of behavior thought to be "signatures" of terrorists (as seen on video from the drone). Given that the CIA is killing people it's never identified based on their behavior, one would assume a certain rigor has gone into defining the criteria for the kinds of behavior that get one killed
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-t...-most-americans-realize-2.html#post1062493171
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I posted on this thread, but though to carry it over here.
 
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I think you might be on to something. I cant understand the over top hate any other way.
Michael66 said:
I don't know if Bush2 used drones to the extent Obama is using them. Or more accurately probably, is that there is little difference in how either of them used drones. That's probably because of once again the racist hate for Obama while Bush2 using drones was either mostly ignored or even applauded by some.

So what's the difference other than many American haters and racists now have a black president to hate?

Are the racists ever embarrassed over being told the obvious?
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I beleive my opinion has remained consistant. I am an American first and hope things turn out best for the country rather than hope for failure of some American endevor due to the politics of hte administration in charge.
ecofarm said:
So, you did praise Bush when he used drones?
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Michael66 said:
I don't know if Bush2 used drones to the extent Obama is using them. Or more accurately probably, is that there is little difference in how either of them used drones. That's probably because of once again the racist hate for Obama while Bush2 using drones was either mostly ignored or even applauded by some.

So what's the difference other than many American haters and racists now have a black president to hate?

Are the racists ever embarrassed over being told the obvious?
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But estimated numbers have been compiled by other sources. As Klaidman points out,
by the time Obama accepted his Nobel Peace Prize 11 months into his presidency, he'd already ordered more drone strikes than George W. Bush had in his entire presidency. By the end of 2012, he'd ordered six times as many strikes in Pakistan as Bush had
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'Signature Strikes' and the President's Empty Rhetoric on Drones | Arianna Huffington

hot links enbedded, suggesing this is a decent read for all.
 
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annata said:
'Signature Strikes' and the President's Empty Rhetoric on Drones | Arianna Huffington

hot links enbedded, suggesing this is a decent read for all.
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So, it's about as I expected. Obama has resorted to drones more than Bush2. Which makes it abundantly clear that Bush2 was resorting to killing whole villages with indiscriminate use of cruise missiles more than using drones.

Some haters will never admit they are driven by politics and racism.

And no, Obama should have never won the Nobel prize when it's obvious that he was using drones or any other method to kill people, even though he was using the least destructive method available and keeping the 'collateral' killing to a minimum.
 
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Michael66 said:
So, it's about as I expected. Obama has resorted to drones more than Bush2. Which makes it abundantly clear that Bush2 was resorting to killing whole villages with indiscriminate use of cruise missiles more than using drones.
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That's some logic there.

Some haters will never admit they are driven by politics and racism.
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Irony, see above.
 
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rjay said:
Yes, distinguishing between civilians and terrorists is important, perhaps that should be done before a drone attack is launched.
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you posed the hypothetical that terrorists would acquire drone technology and cause collateral damage to US civilians while pursuing legitimate targets. I pointed out how your theory was silly, being that the dominate characteristic of terrorism is to actively pursue civilian targets.
 
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Paschendale said:
How about, and I know this is a totally crazy idea, we just not bomb these countries in the first place? No need to worry about civilian deaths, since we won't be killing anyone at all!
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seems a rather silly strategy to deal with a real problem
 
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mak2 said:
I think you might be on to something. I cant understand the over top hate any other way.
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partisan politics and the fact that Obama had high profile targets that were american citizens?
 
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Were these high profile American targets terrorist in another country at the time. If GWB had carpet bombed the city they were in you would not hear a word from them is the point.
Dr. Chuckles said:
partisan politics and the fact that Obama had high profile targets that were american citizens?
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mak2 said:
Were these high profile American targets terrorist in another country at the time. If GWB had carpet bombed the city they were in you would not hear a word from them is the point.
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well, you can ignore there were key differences in how the drone program was publicly conducted and that partisan politics have played clearly on the reactions of both democrats and republicans, or you can simply reduce it to racism. Though I would say your reduction to racism was just an expression of your partisan politics
 
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Michael66 said:
I don't know if Bush2 used drones to the extent Obama is using them. Or more accurately probably, is that there is little difference in how either of them used drones. That's probably because of once again the racist hate for Obama while Bush2 using drones was either mostly ignored or even applauded by some.

So what's the difference other than many American haters and racists now have a black president to hate?

Are the racists ever embarrassed over being told the obvious?
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Good writers ? ... the humor grows stronger as times goes by..with a little more practice .. Look out Don Rickles !

Thom Paine
 
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What exactly do you consider a partisan?
Dr. Chuckles said:
well, you can ignore there were key differences in how the drone program was publicly conducted and that partisan politics have played clearly on the reactions of both democrats and republicans, or you can simply reduce it to racism. Though I would say your reduction to racism was just an expression of your partisan politics
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Dr. Chuckles said:
seems a rather silly strategy to deal with a real problem
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What real problem? That other countries exist and have different ideas than we do? That there are some people who belong to the same overall culture as some of these people who are violent against us? That these nations might not necessarily want our businesses to exploit their countries? What real problem are these attacks addressing, and how are these killings going to solve them?
 
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