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Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits - human rights groups [W:165]

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After you get blown away standing next to them you will know that you were hanging out with the wrong people.

Don't look for any sympathy from me.

lol, Osama bin Laden, is that you? Did you survive somehow?
 
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Blue_State;1062492204[B said:
]I made it on a list of people who tick you off and you didn't have time to make a list of countries that terrorize the US? It is because no one in the US is terrorized by an outside country. Have a great day. Get a coffee and donut and smile.
[/B] It's friday big guy.




I will never have time to do your work for you.

Deal with it.
 
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If you don't know where Osama bin Laden is right now you are out of touch with reality.

Maybe he was reincarnated. What you said- and this comes from someone who has no problem with the drone strikes- was so goofy that it could've come directly out of his mouth.
 
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I already told you that you have a problem so I won't repeat myself.

Would you like to answer any of the questions I posed or just ignore them?

So far you are just ignoring them.
 
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Would you like to answer any of the questions I posed or just ignore them?

So far you are just ignoring them.




Get to work and find your own answers, I don't work for you.
 
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How far away do I have to be not to be associated with this terrorist? 50 ft? 100 ft? 100 yards? 1/4 mile? What if he is driving by and I am farming? Is that my fault too?

Oh, please. Let's not pretend that drone strikes wipe out huge areas. If you live in the same building as a mass murdering, child abusing (terrorist brainwashing) neighborhood oppressing terrorist, who will kill many people and enslave many others, then too bad.

If collateral damage is so impossible for you to understand, perhaps we could have a Vulcan explain it to you.
 
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I dont know. For one thing they might not be aware of who lives in their building. And if they are they might not be able to do anything about it. Generally I am all for surgically removing the bad guys without boots on the ground, but we still need to be civilized about it if possible.
Oh, please. Let's not pretend that drone strikes wipe out huge areas. If you live in the same building as a mass murdering, child abusing (terrorist brainwashing) neighborhood oppressing terrorist, who will kill many people and enslave many others, then too bad.

If collateral damage is so impossible for you to understand, perhaps we could have a Vulcan explain it to you.
 
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I dont know. For one thing they might not be aware of who lives in their building. And if they are they might not be able to do anything about it. Generally I am all for surgically removing the bad guys without boots on the ground, but we still need to be civilized about it if possible.

How is the US not civilized about it? It's not like it carpet bombs a block or two. It sends precision ordinance that costs millions to ensure that collateral damage is minimized.
 
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I dont know. For one thing they might not be aware of who lives in their building. And if they are they might not be able to do anything about it. Generally I am all for surgically removing the bad guys without boots on the ground, but we still need to be civilized about it if possible.

Generally agreed (I don't really like the word "civilized", but I think I agree with your sentiment): I feel like people here think you have to either not give a **** about civilian casualties at all, or you have to 100% against drone strikes, and there's no middle ground. Just two extreme sides arguing, believing there isn't a spectrum in between.
 
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How is the US not civilized about it? It's not like it carpet bombs a block or two. It sends precision ordinance that costs millions to ensure that collateral damage is minimized.

This is very true. And that's fine. But don't just ignore that collateral damage and say they deserved it in order to make yourself feel better about it. Most of those civilian casualties do not deserve it. You can say that aloud and still support the drone strikes. Try it:

"Most of the civilian casualties of drone strikes do not deserve it, but the positive effect of the drone strikes on American interests is still larger than the negative effect and they should continue." It's not hard.
 
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This is very true. And that's fine. But don't just ignore that collateral damage and say they deserved it in order to make yourself feel better about it. Most of those civilian casualties do not deserve it. You can say that aloud and still support the drone strikes. Try it:

"Most of the civilian casualties of drone strikes do not deserve it, but the positive effect of the drone strikes on American interests is still larger than the negative effect and they should continue." It's not hard.

Do you not understand what collateral damage means? Do you think collateral damage is people that deserved it? It seems that the problem here is your misunderstanding of collateral damage. The term, in itself, says they did not deserve it. When you've mastered the basic vocabulary of this subject, perhaps you can move forward with discussions.
 
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Do you not understand what collateral damage means?

lol no i r dum

Do you think collateral damage is people that deserved it?

Do you think that using the phrase "too bad" in this context is anything but condescending at best, sarcastic at worst:
"If you live in the same building as a mass murdering, child abusing (terrorist brainwashing) neighborhood oppressing terrorist, who will kill many people and enslave many others, then too bad."

It seems that the problem here is your misunderstanding of collateral damage.

It seems the problem here is your misunderstanding how people use the phrase "too bad". You don't understand it? That's too bad.

The term, in itself, says they did not deserve it. When you've mastered the basic vocabulary of this subject, perhaps you can move forward with discussions.

Wow, that's ironic. lol

You don't get it? That's too bad, eco.

"You're a janitor in the World Trade Center, the de facto global headquarters for economic imperialism? That's too bad," said the Salafi extremist.

That doesn't convey an actual sense of acknowledgement of (relative) innocence, it conveys a sense that the speaker just doesn't care. The difference is significant. When you've mastered the basic vocabulary of the subject, perhaps you can move forward with this discussion.
 
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Drone strikes killing more civilians than U.S. admits, human rights groups say - The Washington Post

"Two influential human rights groups say they have freshly documented dozens of civilian deaths in U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, contradicting assertions by the Obama administration that such casualties are rare.

In Yemen, Human Rights Watch investigated six selected airstrikes since 2009 and concluded that at least 57 of the 82 people killed were civilians, including a pregnant woman and three children who perished in a September 2012 attack. "


Is it time to stop the drone attacks?

I heard this on the radio and they asked a guy in Pakistan. He said that the average person on the street there is not worried about the drones because they don't kill as many people as a Pakistani army offensive. The armed forces there just go dropping bombs and wiping out villages indiscriminately. While drones aren't always on target, they aren't indiscriminate.
 
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lol no i r dum



Do you think that using the phrase "too bad" in this context is anything but condescending at best, sarcastic at worst:
"If you live in the same building as a mass murdering, child abusing (terrorist brainwashing) neighborhood oppressing terrorist, who will kill many people and enslave many others, then too bad."



It seems the problem here is your misunderstanding how people use the phrase "too bad". You don't understand it? That's too bad.



Wow, that's ironic. lol

You don't get it? That's too bad, eco.

"You're a janitor in the World Trade Center, the de facto global headquarters for economic imperialism? That's too bad," said the Salafi extremist.

That doesn't convey an actual sense of acknowledgement of (relative) innocence, it conveys a sense that the speaker just doesn't care. The difference is significant. When you've mastered the basic vocabulary of the subject, perhaps you can move forward with this discussion.


That's too bad.
 
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That's too bad.

lol exactly. Next time pick your words better, since, ya know, that's the means of conveying ideas in this medium.
 
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lol exactly. Next time pick your words better, since, ya know, that's the means of conveying ideas in this medium.

Next time, don't bother people with BS attacks based on your personal interpretation of phrases. Trying to paint people as monsters based on such crap is pathetic and demonstrates ones character.
 
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"Two influential human rights groups say they have freshly documented dozens of civilian deaths in U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, contradicting assertions by the Obama administration that such casualties are rare.

Collateral damage is an accepted reality of war and is even encoded into the Geneva conventions, because restrictions against it would only promote the use of human shields

it time to stop the drone attacks?

what is with the pre-occupation with drones, and how is their use different than sending in manned aircraft?
 
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Oh, please. Let's not pretend that drone strikes wipe out huge areas. If you live in the same building as a mass murdering, child abusing (terrorist brainwashing) neighborhood oppressing terrorist, who will kill many people and enslave many others, then too bad.

If collateral damage is so impossible for you to understand, perhaps we could have a Vulcan explain it to you.

After two years in Iraq and 10 years in the military, I get collateral damage. I don't believe we should fire off a missle from a unmanned drone if we are not willing to take the same amount of precision as we did when we put a team on the ground to get Osama Bin Ladin.
 
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Stop. Try again better or don't bother at all.

If one becomes collateral damage... "too bad honey, too bad".

I don't care how you might interpret anything. Spare us the demonization based on your own personal BS.
 
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When that day comes, Just don't hang around with those who the drones are attacking. And don't live in the same town. And don't eat in the same restaurant. And don't shop in the same mall. Don't drive on the same road either

That was your solution wasn't it?

Uhh, terrorists tend to intentionally target civilians. In the OP you cite instances where civilians are collateral damage. Before entering this discussion, you should be able to clearly distinguish between these two
 
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