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School shooting this morning . . .

Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere. :roll:

That is a rather silly and strained response to what I said. You seem terrified of honest people being armed
 
Makes me wonder.

How many kids stole the family car today and then purposefully drove over several people at the schoolyard, shortly before turning the car upon themselves ?

well done.

But you two are okay with grand theft auto? Now we see it's all about protecting the criminal.
 
Ah yes, of course, the passionate destroyer of basic 2A constitutional rights; ready to deploy immediately upon the release of any drop of blood, regardless of actual cause; quick to discount personal responsibility of armed and unarmed maniacs; heartily ignoring current laws and the inability of the justice system to actually identify, catch and sentence criminals; emotionally engaging at a moments notice and with total disregard of the ability of law-abiding American citizens to protect their homes and families; never wasting the gift of a tragedy to further his personal agenda with complete disregard towards others; mightily sucking on the political teat of his handlers at the expense of common sense.

Excellent summary.
 
No, only sometimes. They can walk in on something at any time. You view is simply inaccurate.

rejected as being contrary to known reality. You apparently don't know much about police matters either. Convenience store night shift workers and cab drivers are more dangerous professions in terms of being confronted by armed robbers than cops. Most cops never draw their weapons for self defense. But you are apparently afraid to tell us why honest citizens should be limited to 10-7-5 rounds when criminals and cops are not. It is because you cannot make a sound argument for that nonsense
 
I managed to slightly piss off my wife on the way to work by mentioning the ex-Marine teacher should have been CC..
Her retort was "give me a break, shoot a kid in front of kids".
My counter was "yes, I would prefer to see the teacher draw and drop the student who is firing a gun at students"..
rejected as being contrary to known reality. You apparently don't know much about police matters either. Convenience store night shift workers and cab drivers are more dangerous professions in terms of being confronted by armed robbers than cops. Most cops never draw their weapons for self defense. But you are apparently afraid to tell us why honest citizens should be limited to 10-7-5 rounds when criminals and cops are not. It is because you cannot make a sound argument for that nonsense
 
Do you think you have the right to allow your child to bring your loaded gun to school and go unpunished when he kills someone with your gun? Think again. This has got to end. Your gun your crime.
If you bothered to read any of my posts, you will find me firmly in favor of punishing gun owners that do not store their weapons in such a way to keep their minor children away from them.
I favor jail in those situations.
 
This will continue to happen until we put metal detectors and national guardsmen in the schools. But Americans view that as an infringement on their freedoms and would rather see little children die than try to deal with the problem in an intelligent and responsible manner.
Actually the NRA is the one that called for armed guards, police or even guardsmen if needed after Newtown. So you are wrong.
Even in Newtown the budget that included such protections was shot down by the people that live there.
 
Ah yes, of course, the passionate destroyer of basic 2A constitutional rights; ready to deploy immediately upon the release of any drop of blood, regardless of actual cause; quick to discount personal responsibility of armed and unarmed maniacs; heartily ignoring current laws and the inability of the justice system to actually identify, catch and sentence criminals; emotionally engaging at a moments notice and with total disregard of the ability of law-abiding American citizens to protect their homes and families; never wasting the gift of a tragedy to further his personal agenda with complete disregard towards others; mightily sucking on the political teat of his handlers at the expense of common sense.

That is a bald faced complete lie as I advocated nothing of the kind.
 
Please show us were he said that. I missed it.

I have no idea what goes on in your head when you read something but I never said the poster said that. So why would you ask me to identify something I never cited?
 
Ah yes - the gun lobby dream of 300 million people armed to the teeth ready and willing to engage in battle at the drop of a hat anytime, anyplace and anywhere. :roll:

In response to:

or worse yet, being in a gun free zone where that guarantees only homicidal assholes are armed.

I have no idea what goes on in your head when you read something but I never said the poster said that. So why would you ask me to identify something I never cited?

So show us?

But nice dodge per the norm.
 
I just want to say what an absolute hero that teacher was. My thoughts are with his family and friends and they should be proud of the man he was.
 
The ad us over the top, but priorities are often scrambled in these debates. Family values has historically been a sound bite that has little connection to how republicans vote.
Its not over the top...its just outright moronic. Its stupid at every level. Kids dont have the right to own handguns and absolutely DO have the right to healthcare. Parents can buy a firearm and teach their kid how to shoot, just as they can buy their children healthcare. Pretty ****ing stupid to try to blame gun owners for the pathetic irresponsible parent that refuses to provide adequate support for their own child.
 
It's a shame that a country full of so many intelligent people can't sit down and have a discussion about something as important as gun control without ripping each others faces off.
 
Any time you find an aussie willing to come to Melbourne Florida, let me know and I will certainly be more than willing to educate him on the rights I enjoy every day that they can only dream of. And I can guarantee my teeth will still be firmly planted in my mouth.

Well, golly gee whiz Gomer, other than what you think are really spiffy 'rights' American have with guns - and the fact that Australians are required by law to vote or pay a fine - how about y'all edjimicate me, since I'm just a liberal socialist marxist communist fascist (wait, did I forget anything?) and obviously don't know nuthin' about nuthin'...exactly what 'rights' do we supposedly have that they can "only dream of"?
 
Ah - that indeed must be a comfort to those who died being in the wrong place at the wrong time and taking the wrong bullet fired by the wrong person wielding the wrong gun.

It's not a comfort, it's a reality. Free is not safe by the very nature of freedom. I'm not making emotionalized arguments, I'm merely stating facts.
 
"But by very virtue of freedom, there is danger and uncertainty."

And EVERY nation that has what conservatives want - a small government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation - is a third-world nation with LOTS of 'danger and uncertainty'. But I digress.

You certainly do. Not only that, you've proven nothing and provided no evidence. You just imply that coincidence has meaning.
 
Any time you find an aussie willing to come to Melbourne Florida, let me know and I will certainly be more than willing to educate him on the rights I enjoy every day that they can only dream of. And I can guarantee my teeth will still be firmly planted in my mouth.

OH **** ITS ON!

Mothers lock up your daughters, CRUE CAB is putting up his dukes.
 
Didnt say they werent humans. I said I dont CARE about them. I dont live their lives. That doesnt make them not human...it makes them not my problem. And hey...way to completely ignore the FACTS...you know...that there is violence and bloodshed every day in this country and you couldnt give a **** about THEM...because they dont suit your needs, cause and agenda. You REALLY want to play the "who is the inhumane asshole" game? Quick...tell us how many teenagers were killed in Chicago over the weekend and why you didnt bother to create a thread about them.

How DARE you imply that Aussies and Canucks and Kiwis are as human as you! You're a red-blooded gun-rights supporter, and that makes you better than all of them - heck it even makes you better than those wannabe-American teenagers in Chicago who got killed because they weren't packing guns, too! See, REAL Americans pack guns all the time, everywhere - and those who don't pack guns, well, we're just 'pretend' Americans...and it's our duty to bow and kiss the asses of gun owners because we aren't American enough to pack loaded guns into Starbucks, into churches, and into bars!
 
You certainly do. Not only that, you've proven nothing and provided no evidence. You just imply that coincidence has meaning.

So...every democracy that is part of the first world has the type of government that conservatives say will bring economic doom...but every country that has the type of government that conservatives say will bring better economic prosperity - specifically, weak government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation - is a third-world nation.

That's not evidence per se - that's hard DATA. Looking at things in a scientific way requires that one see what that data is first, and then figure out why the data turned out that way. Would you care to say why you think the data turned out that way?

Because I hope you're not one of those who insist that the data must fit the belief, rather than forcing one's belief to fit the available data.
 
So...every democracy that is part of the first world has the type of government that conservatives say will bring economic doom...but every country that has the type of government that conservatives say will bring better economic prosperity - specifically, weak government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation - is a third-world nation.

That's not evidence per se - that's hard DATA. Looking at things in a scientific way requires that one see what that data is first, and then figure out why the data turned out that way. Would you care to say why you think the data turned out that way?

Because I hope you're not one of those who insist that the data must fit the belief, rather than forcing one's belief to fit the available data.

This is a lot of assumption and hysteria. The major assumption is that everything else except government remains constant so that direct comparison can be made. That is of course untrue. What makes a country first or third is a build up of many dynamics and not based solely on the government. It assumes that the various successful countries of Europe all succeeded similarly and based predominately on their government. You further imply that because some weak government countries are third world countries, then all small and constrained government can only produce third world countries. This is of course untrue, as many of the now established first and second world countries came about from environments that initially had a more constrained government. Additionally, it does not say that a constrained government is no government or an ineffective government as may be found in the third world states. Your entire argument is just one big logic fail.

So thus isn't hard data, it's assumption and supposition.
 
How DARE you imply that Aussies and Canucks and Kiwis are as human as you! You're a red-blooded gun-rights supporter, and that makes you better than all of them - heck it even makes you better than those wannabe-American teenagers in Chicago who got killed because they weren't packing guns, too! See, REAL Americans pack guns all the time, everywhere - and those who don't pack guns, well, we're just 'pretend' Americans...and it's our duty to bow and kiss the asses of gun owners because we aren't American enough to pack loaded guns into Starbucks, into churches, and into bars!
You want to keep playing the silly implication game, be my guest. You created the stupid...you might as well continue to dwell in it.

And thanks for proving the point. You care not a damn about the 'victims'...but boy, dont you love your pet 'cause'.
 
It's happened.

I am now numb towards school shootings.

Damn Pavlov.
 
It's happened.

I am now numb towards school shootings.

Damn Pavlov.

Now there's the attitude! And what the hell, they're only innocent Americans and 2nd. amendment rights have a price. With 320 million people America can afford to have 30 or 40 thousand people blown away by gungoons every year.
 
Now there's the attitude! And what the hell, they're only innocent Americans and 2nd. amendment rights have a price. With 320 million people America can afford to have 30 or 40 thousand people blown away by gungoons every year.

You keep dropping the bar for silly posts. More than half of those deaths are suicides

when I see some Foreigner calling people "gungoons" it shows how willy their argument is going to be

if you factor out suicides and criminals killing other mopes (more than three quarters of those murdered each year have records-and many who don't have juvi records that are not traceable), our firearm violence rates are lower than many of the eurosocialist nations you paen
 
So far, most of society has no issue with my guns. Had they, you would have gotten more gun laws in April. Obama blew it.

Hardly. If there was no push form the populace, there would be no movement. That's how it works. If you take the time to look, you would see a majority of urban folk want gun laws and a majority of rural people don't, for the most part.
 
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