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School shooting this morning . . .

Oh, the old. You cant shoot well argument. Man you are trotting all the excuses out tonight. Who are YOU to decide by what means I defend my home.

Who are YOU to decide it's ok to endanger the lives of innocent children so you get to keep your toys?
 
Your sanctimonious and patronizing comments only prove further that you are hostile to gun rights.

You don't understand gun use because if you did you would not claim that bans on more than 7 rounds in a gun are insignificant. that prevents anyone from NYS state being competitive in USPSA competitions or other similar events such as the GSSF or "Steel Challenge" style shoots

I'm merely trying to get you to use that great logic you keep telling me about. I haven't seen any yet. Stick to the issue and nit me.
 
Relax. Don't care.

Oh, now we dont care. Man you are as predictable as the sun set. See, thank god, I live in Florida and can have all the 15 and 33 round mags I want. See I also prepare for the worse case scenario, where the police are of no help at the time and me and my family may have to fight for our survival.
Oh, I know you types think that sort of thing will NEVER happen. But guess what, it has happened. It may never happen to me, or you, or turtle, but it has happened and it can happen. I choose to be prepared for it, and if it dont happen. I can still go to the range or out in the field for a day and have some recreation of my choice.
 
Backing away are we? Little too much heat? You wish to tell others what they can do with in our rights. You are picking the wrong battle.

No. We're on the web. There's no heat here. I just prefer more logic and less emotional rant.
 
Ifs are not a logical argument. Calm down. Rein in your emotions.

more sanctimonious nonsense. It is your arguments that are emotional and factually devoid

you want to infringe on rights based on the ground you don't find them important

do you really think such arrogance and feigned "rationality" makes up for your lack of expertise in this area?

if someone is trying to kill you and is doing everything possible to avoid you shooting them would you rather have MORE or LESS rounds

when you can answer this honestly I will take your arguments as something more than nonsense

Later and BTW Calm down-it is the anti gunners who want to rape rights based on emotions
 
Dont lie like claim that magazine bans are not significant. You tend to lose credibility when you make such claims.

tell us what laws would have stopped this shooting today?
I do not see a significance. And you have failed to show any.
 
Who are YOU to decide it's ok to endanger the lives of innocent children so you get to keep your toys?

Its ok because Iam an American taxpayer. With full rights under the constitution. That is who I am. What are you?
 
No. We're on the web. There's no heat here. I just prefer more logic and less emotional rant.

what logic have you used in your posts

you pontificate that our rights can be infringed at any level you deem "Insignificant"

I reject your standards as being based on absolutely no understanding of the facts
 
Dont lie like claim that magazine bans are not significant. You tend to lose credibility when you make such claims.

tell us what laws would have stopped this shooting today?
Oh, your last question. I don't know of any, which us why I haven't proposed any.
 
I do not see a significance. And you have failed to show any.

YOu won't accept any significance to a right you find insignificant. YOur views on what is significant has no significance to us because you are anti gun
 
No. We're on the web. There's no heat here. I just prefer more logic and less emotional rant.

I have given nothing but logic. Its logical to me to own my firearms, just like its logical to own fire extinguishers, spare tires, flashlights, keep a stocked pantry, keep some bottled water, always keep the tanks filled on the car and truck. Straight up logic.
 
Really good points.

You are right it is deeply embedded and it's tentacles reach in many different directions. For one thing we glorify violence and tie being able to kick ass to manhood which in reality, has nothing to do with being a man. I think arming our boys with a healthier understanding of what being a man really means would be a great start. Not sure how we would do that. We can say it's the parents job, but if the parent didn't learn it themselves chances are they aren't going to be teaching it.

I agree. It would hurt to have better role models as well. More Eastwood's Gran Torino, and less "Saw" or the like.
 
Oh, your last question. I don't know of any, which us why I haven't proposed any.

I noticed your paratroopers insignia in your avatar. You former US military? If so, you swore an oath to defend the constitution of the united states. The 2A is part of that constitution.
 
Its ok because Iam an American taxpayer. With full rights under the constitution. That is who I am. What are you?

and Boo is not? Just because you are a tax paying citizen doesn't mean you get whatever you want, especially if what you want endangers others. Your rights don't trump everyone elses.
 
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that again is moronic. Police usually determine when and where they confront armed criminals. They have backup, vests and radio communications. The rest of us never choose when someone attacks us and where. we usually don't have backup.

so your moronic claim that I only need 7 is just more illustration you have no clue about this issue

why 7 why not 5 or 3? when NYS limited people to 10 rounds I made the same argument and people like you said the same thing about ten rounds

tell us what expertise you have in civilian self defense issues that allows you to determine what is a proper number of rounds GIVEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS DETERMINED IT IS 15 to 17

No, only sometimes. They can walk in on something at any time. You view is simply inaccurate.
 
I agree. It would hurt to have better role models as well. More Eastwood's Gran Torino, and less "Saw" or the like.
Eastwoods character commited at least two felonies in that movie. Pulling a .45 from in his truck on unarmed people and going outside with his Garand.
How about parents being role models. Not actors, athletes, singers and other pop culture icons.
 
Frankly I dont give a **** about the Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, etc. I dont live in their country. I dont have their experiences, They dont have mine. Funny how that all works. Even when the Aussies were allowed fairly unfettered gun ownership they never had the same kind of problems we have with gangs and violence so to compare our experiences is in a word...stupid. Attempting to alter the rights (freedoms) of the vast majority of the owners of 300 million firearms because the very occasional bad actor is also...stupid. Ignoring the day to day violence and only celebrating the occasional school shooting in your 'cause' is not only stupid, its corrupt. Ignoring the reality for every 1 school shooting there are hundreds of beatings and stabbings that go ignored is equally stupid and corrupt.

Yeah, those Aussies, Canucks, and Kiwis ain't as human as you, 'cuz you're American! How dare anyone even think that they could be compared to a REAL human being like you! They can't, because Americans - and specifically, a red-blooded gun-loving American like you - are the ONLY real humans! Yeah!
 
Oh, the old. You cant shoot well argument. Man you are trotting all the excuses out tonight. Who are YOU to decide by what means I defend my home.

Again, not me personally. Society.

Guys, your emotional rants have been diverting, but my day starts at five am. I must leave for now.
 
and Boo is not? Just because you are a tax paying citizen doesn't mean you get whatever you want, especially if what you want endangers others.

Nothing about my guns endanger anyone. All under lock and key, I have a permit to carry and professional training from previous occupations. How many kids died in cars today?
 
Again, not me personally. Society.

Guys, your emotional rants have been diverting, but my day starts at five am. I must leave for now.
So far, most of society has no issue with my guns. Had they, you would have gotten more gun laws in April. Obama blew it.
 
Yeah, those Aussies, Canucks, and Kiwis ain't as human as you, 'cuz you're American! How dare anyone even think that they could be compared to a REAL human being like you! They can't, because Americans - and specifically, a red-blooded gun-loving American like you - are the ONLY real humans! Yeah!
They are human, but they are subjects. We are citizens. There is a difference. We have rights that they dont, and they hate that.
 
No, only sometimes. They can walk in on something at any time. You view is simply inaccurate.

I can walk in on something at any time just as easily as any cop, I can come home to find someone in my home. I make be awakend by people in my home.
 
Still waiting for your gun law ideas.

Pro gun rights people. We believe in personal responsibility, punishing the criminal, raising children to not be weak minded, we believe in the US Constitution, we hold all our rights dear and know when one falls they all will fall.
Pro gun rights people (i use you and your rants as the "generalization" here, since you claim to speak on behalf of all gun rights people here anyway, to no or little objection by them) repeat the stupid stuff they hear from the NRA, and usually have very little to no knowledge about the constitution, the idea behind it by the founding fathers, or the history of the amendments.
Since 5 years only, since 2008, at at no time before that, in 230+ years, was the second Amendment interpreted as the general right for civil citizens to bear arms. Period. While i can appreciate that pro-gun individuals pick up that very recent interpretation right now, it is more than ignorant to claim that this is what either was inclined by the writers of the constitution / BoR or what it was at all times anyways.

It merely shows that the "interpretation" of the constitution, and the amendments, changes over the course of the time, and by that alone is NOT absolute or in any form an unchangeable given right.
 
I noticed your paratroopers insignia in your avatar. You former US military? If so, you swore an oath to defend the constitution of the united states. The 2A is part of that constitution.

That is such a holier than thou defense. You think that if you wave the 2a everyone will cower and run. The meaning of the 2nd amendment is often debated and my guess is that if the "founding fathers" were to see the crazy **** going on today they would be up for some revisions or at least come clarification. This seems more about your emotional attachment to your weapon then anything else.
 
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